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SPECULATION Rey's lineage and the end of the Skywalker saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Protocol Droid, Nov 12, 2017.

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What does the announcement of RJ's new trilogy mean for the Skywalker saga, & Rey's lineage?

  1. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, & the end of the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Nobody)

    35 vote(s)
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  2. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, but the Skywalker bloodline will live on (Rey Skywalker)

    18 vote(s)
    21.4%
  3. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Skywalker)

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  4. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker spirit (Rey Nobody)

    13 vote(s)
    15.5%
  5. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey is a Kenobi

    7 vote(s)
    8.3%
  6. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey's lineage is from the dark side

    4 vote(s)
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  1. master_shaitan

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    The Old Republic is 1000's of years before Skywalkers, he can still go back in the timeline and not go that far. He could even go to a pre-Republic age. Either way, I get the feeling that Rian's trilogy will have no bearing on the saga that we know and nothing in this saga has to take place (end of the Skywalker lineage) for Rian's to be without Skywalkers and Solos.
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    That said, my preference would be for the Skywalker name to fade off into Legend.
     
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    I don't think he can make a prequel nor intends to. In order to make something new he needs to go forward. Otherwise, you get pulled back into the same story and have limitations - he'd have to constantly check out things with the story-group to make sure he doesn't ruin the canon that is there. Far easier to go forward in time and make everything new.
     
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    In the "future" he will still be beholden to canon. The only way he can escape this saga is to select a time period other than this saga's and/or take his story into the unknown regions or another galaxy. I fully expect to not even see familiar worlds with his new trilogy.
     
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    Not to the extent that he would be free of canon in a story set in the future.
    If it is set in the past and not in the OR then he has to set it in a world controlled by the Jedi Order/Republic and everything that goes with that.
     
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    No he doesn't. Why would he have to set it like that?
     
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    He's making an epic trilogy. If it isn't set in the distant past or future, then it will be set during the time of the Republic that existed pre TPM. He'd be constrained by that. I can't really say more than that really, strikes me as obvious.
     
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    The only thing this article confirms is that we aren’t getting a KotOR movie. There’s nothing that suggests any time period in particular, just not OR.

    I assume they’ll keep when this happens In the timelines to themselves; why burden the movie with a time slot? Like Rian says in the article, the sky’s the limit in Star Wars. I wouldn’t get too bogged down on when; it’ll be an original story with no Skywalkers regardless of when.
     
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    "For me," he says, "the possibility in a new story told over three movies, go anywhere, do anything, sky’s the limit, in Star Wars? That’s so exciting."


    He can't do ^that^ if he is stuck in a pre-existing Star Wars era, constrained by current canon and expectations.
    He'll go forward - I guarantee that!
     
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    Ha! Says you.

    There is more than enough room in any segment of the timeline for a good story.

    Regardless, your assertions are without hard evidence and are thus opinions. For someone so dedicated in basing arguments in evidence I find it odd that you’re so willing to make knee jerk assumptions.
     
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    It's not knee-jerk. If he sets his trilogy within the era of the Republic as seen post the Old Republic and pre-TPM then he will be restricted by:

    The Jedi controlling the galaxy and keeping the peace.
    The Republic standing for 1000 yrs peacefully.
    No great threat to the Jedi.
    No impact on the balance etc
    Certain characters being around (Yoda).

    It wouldn't make any sense. Sure, is this concrete? No.
    But everything points to a future, Skywalker-less trilogy - as I, Master_Shaitan, ReyLoShipper extraordinaire, predicted many moons ago. :p
     
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    how are you a "ReyLoShipper extraordinaire" but perceiving this to be a Skywalker-free galaxy? or are we spitting hairs with names? : D
     
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    Sorry FN, but I don't think Rey and Ben will run off into the sunset together...:(
     
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    we're going to have to downgrade you from "extraordinaire" then.
    and what is to become to Leia's 16 grandchildren??? : o O
     
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    Well, I guess I could make room for another Skywalker trilogy if ReyLo happens...

    How's that?!
     
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    How is he constrained by that? He can go anywhere in the timeline. The Republic has risen and fallen multiple times just within the canon and non canon that we know about. How many times has it happened throughout history? We have no idea. The only place to go where Skywalkers have not affected the timeline is to go into the past, another galaxy entirely or both.
    See above.

    Skywalker-less trilogy in the future would still be a future that was affected by the current canon. He's working with an absolutely clean slate. It's also probably a mistake to consider that he won't touch anything that the non-canon EU has touched. He seems to have a big grip on the true nature of the Force, he could go back and form the Jedi Order in his trilogy or even before that.
     
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    As far as the "Saga" is concerned, the Skywalker story will go on. I've had this discussion in the past, and we have to remember that the Skywalker family is the foundation of the Saga. It's been argued that "The Force" is actually what the story is about and that's not correct, as it's about the Skywalker heritage and lineage, and their relationship with the Force..but nevertheless, about the Skywalkers.

    Now, JJ has said that as he sees it, IX should be the end of the Skywalker story but he also said afterwards that "The future is fluid", and i believe that if the Skywalker story ended with IX, then it could potentially alienate (literally) MILLIONS of fans that could (at that point) consider the great story they've loved, to be over and walk away...and it could happen, even in as much as some would dismiss that statement.

    With the news that Rian Johnson has been tapped to generate a new trilogy separate from the saga, I believe that it will be completely devoid of the Skywalker family, BUT as it is going to be a trilogy, it's going to HAVE TO have some substance, with a subject that people want and care about...like Jedi. I've sat back stared at the wall several times contemplating just what I would make a trilogy about that had nothing to do with the Saga, yet be interesting enough to keep the core fans captivated enough to want to return, but I digress...

    The Skywalker story is going to go on, and we will see the re-emergence of the Jedi Order in some fashion into a fourth Saga trilogy.

    Finally, I have a prediction: Any large "I am your Father" type of reveals won't take place until the first or second act of Ep. IX.
     
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    yeah, but then Rian's trilogy will be ruined because Skywalkers once existed! :rolleyes:

    i see your line of reasoning but it has nothing to really hold it up.

    the idea that anything set prior to TPM would be bad because of the state of the galaxy during that time period is very narrow thinking. we're talking about an entire galaxy of planets and system and we have like, what, 1000 currently in canon? that leaves a lot of systems left unexplored. also, it's not like the Jedi were in every system at every moment during the course of the Republic. there's a lot of breathing room in Star Wars.
     
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    What? If it's not set in the old republic era - before the Sith fell, then it would take place within the 1000yr history as mentioned in the Skywalker saga (leading up to TPM) right?

    If that is the case, within that time period, the Republic did not fall. The Jedi reigned. There were no Sith or great threat vs the Jedi. That alone would restrain him.


    He'll only be restricted by what he talks about historically. Not what actually occurs in his story or what it is about.
    Am I missing something here? It seems very straightforward to me.
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    I don't understand this reasoning.
    Old fans will always watch Star Wars films. And the idea is that RJ will capture a new generation of fans with his new story. They will undoubtedly want more and more stories about these new characters and not a regurgitation of the old Skywalker yarn.

    If it goes badly, then they can just say "ah, Luke was cloned and we never knew!' and roll out the Skywalker's again.
    But they won't have to.
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    For a standalone - sure. But an epic trilogy? You can't restrict that to a few planets. I doubt RJ would want to. And nor would Disney - this trilogy is the future of their franchise.
     
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    who says it has to be a few planets? where did that come from?

    a galaxy has thousands upon thousands of systems and planets; we're not going to be hitting the limit anytime soon.
     
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