SPECULATION Rey's lineage and the end of the Skywalker saga?

It's because the last Skywalker isn't the "good guy", plain and simple. It seems many wanted a badass male good guy Skywalker/Solo, a female good guy Skywalker/Solo, a smooth cool black Jedi, and Darth Plagueis as the main villain. I think if Poe and Kylo were brothers and Rey was Luke's daughter a lot of people would have been happier. It's sad that bloodline is so important to some.

Personally, I think Kylo/Ben has to die. Whether he is redeemed or not, the bloodline has to die out. The galaxy can't be continuously saved or destroyed because of some crazy Skywalker related force user. What's cool is, as long as Mark Hamill is around, you can always use Force ghost Luke in any situation you want so he can continue his Jedi legacy and influence future Jedi.

 

like everything else about Ren Ben: he's right.
it's just his application of these ideas that's completely warped with him.

the message of TLJ is that there's a place for the past and lessons to learn and hope to be gained.
but we shouldn't cling to it, depend on it, or count on it to build the present/future.

 

Because if we are to ever move forward, we have to let go of the past. We can't keep going in a circle of different Skywalker heroes endlessly.

 

TT
I'm speechless.

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You wonder why such a message is why China pulled the film so soon relative to other markets?

 

It’s also the jist of what Yoda said to Luke. Ren just adopted a skewed version of it. The suggestion is still right though. Regardless of who said it.

 

I agree to a certain extent that we need to move forward, can't be obsessed with the past.
That doesn't mean killing the past or ignoring it.
Stand on the shoulder of giants to reach higher.
Not to hire a crew and destroy the statue, destroy all ladders, and then fire all the crew, diy ladder and statue from scratch....

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But I understand all of our real world world view is different. And I feel we won't be able to persuade each other one way or the other.... And this thread is getting sort of political....
Mu out of thread.

 

Luke had his time.
contrary to what many people think (or wish), the ST isn't and never was about Luke.

 

I agree 100%. It's just in the ST a lot of characters, both old and new, die, so I'm keeping my expectations in check.

 

true enough, but if part of the theme of the ST is balance, i'm fairly convinced you can't achieve balance by killing one half of the whole. : D

 

Maybe you need to kill the balance itself? So Rey and Kylo both must die. The whole force must die! Okay, I'm going too far here...

 

hahahaha ~ both Leia and Ben (two Skywalkers for the price of one) would burn the galaxy down!
but yeah, i seriously doubt that's where this is going.

 

Kathleen Kennedy was on the record saying that the ST wasn't the last we see of Rey, Poe and Finn. No mention of Kylo/Ben. I think it's pretty apparent Kylo is on a self destructive path. After killing Han, the only way I want to see his redemption is to sacrifice himself for the greater good. I don't want Ben Solo back and flying around with Rey in the Falcon. That would be like Vader joining the Rebels and flying wing-man with Luke. It's just doesn't work.

 

i guess i just don't have a problem with that. i don't think Kennedy does either.
she was the one who said his decisions weren't necessarily bad in the context of Star Wars. [shrug].

her quote from the original French interview: "Kylo Ren a pris nombre de décisions qui paraissent mauvaises, mais pas nécessairement dans le contexte du monde de Star Wars, où elle peuvent déboucher sur à peu près n’importe quoi."

i noticed too that she didn't mention Kylo Ren in that dicussion. but maybe she was just guarding herself from giving anything away.
and don't forget that even Adam Driver said (of being questioned as to whether Kylo Ren would live or die in TLJ): "depends on your definition of living".

we can draw inferences from all these interviews, but i think, frankly, they are all too ambiguous to bet with certainty.
my sense and conjecture is that Ben Solo is and always has been Kennedy's darling and i think they won't kill him.

it's also my hope, so there is that ~ hahahaha

 

After watching ROTS today and seeing Anakin’s fall, I feel that Ben Solo must sacrifice his life for the galaxy/Rey or whatever. The part that really struck me was when Kenobi does the whole “you were the chosen one” line and before that when Anakin shed a tear after chopping down the separatists. It’s sad because he could’ve been this magnificent hero. In the end, he never truly lived up to what he could’ve been. His redemption was really only witnessed by Luke and the galaxy never forgave Anakin.

The opportunity with Ben is that if he does return in IX midway through the film, he has time to finish not what Vader started, but what Anakin was born to do. I’d personally like to see a reversal of Anakin’s choice in ROTS where Ben surrenders his own life (let’s go) in order to save the one he loves and in turn the galaxy. I think it would be poetic. And you could do it in a way that involves Anakin, Luke and Rey.

If Ben lives and they look to tell more stories about him and Rey, I wouldn’t have a meltdown. But I do think they need to end the Skywalker saga now and that continuing Ben’s story would create more problems than it would be worth.

 

but wouldn't that be an interesting challenge? : D

 

Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that it would raise interesting philosophical questions. No, in the sense that it would just be another Skywalker story and as others have pointed out, bring up some awkward scenarios: Ben mixing with his victims etc. I’m not sure, not totally against it and there are options but I just feel it’s best to give him a heroic send off and end the saga.

 

for me it's easy enough and sufficient to stop calling him a Skywalker.
he's one, of course and always will be, but he doesn't carry the name and one day maybe his father will matter to him more than his grandfather.
and if bloodlines are truly not to matter (as Rey's does not), then his Skywalkerness shouldn't either.

i get your point and i know so much of fandom would remain hung up on this unfortunately, but i still think it would be really cool to have him demonstrate what real transformation actually looks like and how difficult it actually is, rather than just sparking out in a blaze of glory like Vader did.

 

Here is at least what I see is the real sticky wicket with the "let the past die." It happens to be a line from the movie. But it is separately what many who are frustrated with older OT purists who dislike the film or feel like they didn't get what they should have out of the ST. So many younger fans are responding with a sort of "let it go, things are different now." These younger fans or fans of the ST are not against the OT but they feel like the barrier for many people is their tether to the OT. So they echo the "let the past die" notion. Both sides I think are missing it. I don't thing the new films have hurt the OT characters and there is no reason to jetison what the stories have always been about. I find the ST more consistent with the PT and OT than the PT was with the OT. Not just in design but philosophy and quality.

 

I suspect this is kind of where we're headed. We need to see Ben Solo redeemed for this saga to make sense.