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SPECULATION Rey's lineage and the end of the Skywalker saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Protocol Droid, Nov 12, 2017.

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What does the announcement of RJ's new trilogy mean for the Skywalker saga, & Rey's lineage?

  1. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, & the end of the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Nobody)

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  2. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, but the Skywalker bloodline will live on (Rey Skywalker)

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  3. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Skywalker)

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  4. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker spirit (Rey Nobody)

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  5. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey is a Kenobi

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  6. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey's lineage is from the dark side

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  1. Bandini

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    In all the trailers and Disney's marketing there is not one word about Rey's parents, even for mystery or whatever.

    It doesn't seem it's a big issue for the movie.
     
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    i think a better example may be the Mace Windu comics. there's Mace, off with his Jedi companions on a dangerous mission, etc. no one is calling for Yoda to help, no one is saying, "where's Anakin on this mission??" they are telling a story void of any real Skywalker involvement or overshadowing.
     
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    Serious? You mean the same Poe that serves Leia, is looking for Luke Skywalker and fighting Kylo Ren's first order? Lol. You're hilarious.

    I barely need to post in this thread. You're making all my arguments for me!
     
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    Leia never solves any problems or gets involved. Looking for Luke is a side story not featured and he doesn't show up and beat the guys either, which you claim they'd have too.

    You said - Imagine a trilogy set in the future. Some bad guy is plotting to take over the galaxy. If this person is not a Skywalker, then wouldn't the heroes call upon the remaining Skywalker, the most powerful being in the galaxy, to help them out?

    That's what's happening in Poe, yet Luke is on the sidelines, Leia isn't on the front lines either
     
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    Seriously, what?
    I said that any large scale SW film set in a Skywalker era would have to include them and that you couldn't have an epic trilogy story that wasn't dictated by their presence. So far your examples against this argument have been Rebels, Rogue One and a Poe comic - all of which make my point beautifully. Thanks.

    If RJ wants to tell a big story that doesn't include Skywalker's then they will have to be killed off earlier, otherwise, like with all your wonderful examples, their current stories will have to be explained and it'll make no sense if they aren't involved in a big way.
     
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    A comic book with Mace Windu on a mission (when the Jedi are stretched thin and he is in fact one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy) isn't comparable to having an epic trilogy in the timeline of the Skywalker's that doesn't include a Skywalker.
     
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    LOL - youre now avoiding your own points. Ya, you have a strong argument.

    You've said - "If a Skywalker is around, then they will either be the hero (with the very great threat of turning bad) or the villain (who needs redeeming). If there is to be another trilogy, regardless of where it is based in the GFFA, then we will forever be waiting for a Skywalker to turn up and be the hero or villain" & "The Skywalker's cannot play bit part roles - they are too powerful and will always be centre stage." & "I said that if the Skywalker's live on then they will be central to any big story that comes after that" & "Imagine a trilogy set in the future. Some bad guy is plotting to take over the galaxy. If this person is not a Skywalker, then wouldn't the heroes call upon the remaining Skywalker, the most powerful being in the galaxy, to help them out?" & "No, they can't. If there is a big threat, of whatever nature RJ decides is worthwhile, and the Skywalker's are around - they'd sense it and they'd be involved. They'd be called upon. The audience will constantly wonder where the hell they are."

    None of this has happened in the Poe comic yet Luke exists during these stories. Please explain.
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    LOL - you're still avoiding you're own points.

    The whole basis of your position is that the new heroes will HAVE to call in Rey Skywalker (for the sake of argument) because.......reasons. And of course they'll have a direct comm link to her, when you become a hero in star wars its part of the welcome package. You have been given multiple examples of stories set in the star wars universe - Rebels, Rogue One, Poe comic, Mace comic, any episode of Clone Wars in which Anakin isn't in - you either need to acknowledge that your assertion is wrong OR explain why the heroes in an unconnected story that takes place after Episode IX, who (presumably) don't know Rey, have no real way of getting in contact with her, who are dealing with whatever problem they are that Rey probably has no concept of would NEED, to the point that its unavoidable during the writing process, to call her for help.
     
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    Not to mention, we have no idea when RJ's new trilogy will take place. It could be set long before Anakin was even born.
     
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    You quoted element part of my argument. It's a big part, but not the only point. The entire point is as follows:

    If you create a new trilogy and intend to have it Skywalker-less, they have to be dead, because if they are alive they will either be at the heart of the action, driving events or their temporary absence will have to be explained away. The fact is, in order for Johnson to avoid having to explain anything about the Skywalker family and keep them away from driving the greater story, they're better off dead. Otherwise he has to include them in some way - particularly if his trilogy is the epic it is likely to be. If Skywalker's are in the galaxy they will be at the centre of events or if they're not there needs to be a good explanation why.

    BUT even then, if there is some explanation given, people will still be waiting for them to turn up. Their shadow will loom over the story. And worse still, rather than tying up the Skywalker legacy in a nice bow, they will be relegated to bit parts/cameo mentions - diminishing their story and that which has come before. We've seen this in Rebels and Rogue One - once the story grows, it has to include the Skywalker's. And at times, it doesn't work out in a good way.

    As I alluded to in the quote you posted above, you cannot get away from the Skywalker's if they're alive. You have to provide exposition for them as their place, history and power in the galaxy demands it. For someone like Johnson, starting a new story with new characters, this would be problematic at least and at worst, potentially derailing of his story. Best finish the Skywalker Saga on a high, keep it tidy and move on to something truly great...
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    If that happens, then sure, IX doesn't have to be the last Skywalker. They might wish to carry on that story later on. Though again, I think for other reasons, they will want to bring this saga to a close. Vader's story, after this, is done. Carrying on with Skywalker's becomes superfluous and potentially damaging to the legacy.
     
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    So, you don't think the OT is truly great? How did you become a Star Wars fan to begin with?
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    That's really your own opinion. They don't even need to kill all the Skywalkers if they decide to end that saga. They can just simply stop making them.
     
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    I do think it is truly great. I'm saying if they continue re-hashing Skywalker stories then the future films won't be. They will be pale imitations - much like how TFA turned out (I reserve judgement of the rest of the ST). I'd like to see RJ create an original story set within the GFFA that can stand on its own two feet and not rely on dropping Vader, the Falcon etc into the mix to drum up excitement.
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    Kind of hard for it not to be. I'm confused, isn't this a place to write ones opinion?

    I'd like to think it's an informed opinion though.
     
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    Basing where you think the trilogy is going on your own opinion isn't really a good idea. They clearly don't agree with you on TFA, otherwise they wouldn't have hired JJ for Episode IX. I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion or to express it. However, the Skywalker saga is one part of the Star Wars franchise. Just because they clearly want to expand the franchise beyond it, doesn't mean they are going to kill off all the Skywalkers and completely abandon any possible route to continue it when and if they choose. They'd be crazy to do that to the most profitable part of the franchise. I also just don't get this idea where if someone remains alive they are obligated to continue it. It took almost three decades before Luke's story was continued and no one assumed it would be just because he and Leia were alive at the end of RoTJ.
     
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    I think JJ taking on IX is about redeeming himself more than anything. Sure, he did a good job in terms of re creating Star Wars magic for a new generation. But he as much as anyone realised that TFA was way too close to ANH. TFA had quite strict parameters for what they needed to achieve. And it has set up the trilogy reasonably well. But I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest that JJ won't be wanting to rehash RotJ.

    I've provided the reasoning for why they would be sensible to do this since 2015. And now news pops at the RJ is going to make a Skywalker-less trilogy and Rey looks less and less like a Skywalker. You'll excuse me for jumping the gun, somewhat!

    Skywalker's don't make the profit. Good stories do. The Skywalker story has been great - but nothing lasts forever. Continuing it, dragging it out again for another show, would be detrimental to the creativity of the new films and the legacy of the old ones. Dropping Skywalker's randomly into stories doesn't guarantee success - like how JJ points out, using the Falcon doesn't mean it will be a good scene. Clearly, RJ has an idea they like and think could be very successful. People will have new characters to love - as they already do with Rey, Finn, Poe etc.

    But they did - the ST was always going to be about the Skywalker's. What else was it going to be about? Let's in fact imagine that for a second. Let's say that LFL said in 2012, we're making a new SW trilogy and said it was separate from the Skywalker saga. Let's say, in scale and story it was just like TFA but with no Luke, Leia, Han and Kylo. What would be your first question?

    I know what mine would be:

    "WHERE THE F**KING HELL IS LUKE FREAKIN' SKYWALKER?!"
     
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    LOL - The simple truth of the matter is they doesn't have to include them. You know this but can't admit you're wrong, which is why you're not avoiding your own points and refuse to explain the why of thing (because there is no why, its ismply what you want, but for some reason you can't just say "it what I want", you feel the need for it to be "the only way").
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    If they continue the Skywalker Saga into X+ Episodes, doesn't mean its automatically a re-hash.

    But you aren't making this arugment as opinion. You're making definitive statements. If you're like to re-phrase your position as "I THINK they'd have to include the Skywalkers in a future movie in which they existed" thats fine and that statement is much different then "they'd HAVE to be included". And who knows if its informed or not, you won't explain anything you just restate it over and over again while avoiding your arguments when asked about them.
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    Citatino needed for your comments about Abrams

    Rey doesn't look "less a Skywalker" sorry. You might not think she is, but there has been literally no new evidence.

    Look at TFA vs Rogue One box office. I agree you don't NEED the Skywalkers for Star Wars to be good or successful, but why wouldn't thye want to limit the stories they can tell moving forward? What if they wanted to tell a story about a child or young person who is part of a family that can all use the force but they can't, wouldn't the established force using family be the natural place to tell that story since the audience expectation plays into the story?

    And would that first question completely ruin the movies for you, be the only thing you ever thought about, make it so you can't connect with the new characters they did create etc.....?
     
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    I think what @master_shaitan is getting at is if you set the new trilogy directly after the ST and Luke and Rey et al are still around then you (as an audience) would have to question why aren't they around? Why aren't they defending what they fought for?

    If they were to continue the Harry Potter franchise with a new cast of characters then you would have to include him or explain why he is absent. The Skywalker's are equally synonymous to SW as Harry Potter is to his world.

    I think it would be very naïve to suggest you could pick up the current timeline with a new trilogy and just expect audiences not to question why the 'heroes' from the previous trilogy aren't involved and ultimately take it at face value.
     
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    At this time before we get the reveal in The Last Jedi, I am going to go with Episode XI will be the trilogy after Rian Johnson's trilogy so at least a decade later. Rey will continue the Skywalker blood via through being a Skywalker herself or being a parent of a Skywalker descendant by way of Ben Solo. I want her to be a Skywalker, but chances are she is no relation. As long as they have a great story and she is a compelling character, that is all I really want.
     
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    Not if the story is about completely new characters in completely different planets dealing with a completely different issue. Where you waiting for Luke or Leia to show up and save the day during Rogue One?

    These new characters in the unexplored corner of the Star Wars universe dealing with their own issue that Rey Skywalker (for the sake of argument) has no reason to be aware of, who don't know her, have no reason to know her, have no realistic way of contacting her etc... suddenly saying "Why don't we call Rey Skywalker, she'll figure this out for us" would raise many more questions.

    As I've said, no one sits there during Captain America Winter Soldier going "where's Thor"? Regardless about how you feel about hte Marvel movies, they PROVE that audiences don't sit there going "well why don't they just call hero X" and have that stuff ruin the films for them. Its a non-issue. But definitively ending the Skywalker family ONLY limits their creative possiblities. It means they can't go back to it if they want too. They can't use the "safe" series to push Star Wars forward. They can't cross over other characters who were previously unconnected. They can't produce novels or comics or tv series about them etc... There is no benefit to them and what they'd be avoiding has been proven to be a non-issue.
     
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    I try to help... (hopefully)

    I think there's no reason to set the new trilogy in a timeline near that of the ST.

    The galaxy is not only large enough, but it has millennia of history.

    So the question for me is far more simple.

    If Rey is not a Skywalker/Solo there are 90% of chances that this is also the end of the Skywalker Saga.
    Because or we're going to see not only Reylo, but an happily ever after Reylo.
    Or there is another Skywalker... and you may not like, but this is a chance.
    If Luke had a child without knowing, then he may have had a child whenever the storytellers want.
    And I still think it's less problematic - from a "lore" pov - if that happened between ANH and ESB.
    After he left Tatooine, but before he met Yoda - really committing himself to the Jedi Order and ... rules -
    and also before knowing who his real father really was.
    If his fear was to become like his father, perhaps, he asked himself "well what about my child if I ever have one?"
    A secret Luke's child, born without him knowing in this time gap, is what may make everyone happy in the fandom. Especially if he's a male.

    If she is, Jedi rules or not, then I think it's because they want to keep open the door for more Skywalker movies.
     
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    Simple (and most likely) solution to this argument: Rian Johnson's stand alone trilogy is set well before the Skywalker Saga films, rather than after them. No need to kill anyone off. Someone of Skywalker descent (and fertility) survives Episode IX. Disney has all of its options to continue making standalones or, in time, more Skywalker-centric films. This is the most likely scenario for one reason and one reason only:

    $$$

    "We can make Star Wars movies for another 100 years."

    Of course they want all options open to do that. It may not make everyone happy from a purely creative standpoint, but that is what they are going to do. Guaranteed.

    I don't agree with all of the points made above this post that seemingly align with this perspective (especially comparing the popcorn-y, fun, yet ultimately silly, Marvel universe to Star Wars), but I strongly believe this will be the case.
     
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    Depends on the story Johnson wants to tell. It could be around or after ST, it could be during the OT, it could be before the PT, it could be at the dawn of the Star Wars Universe.........who knows.

    I agree, but that's why I'm be surprise if Rey isn't Lukes daughter and/or there isn't some kind (adoption, another child/character we haven't seen yet etc...) of solution/way to continue this families story forward. As I've said there is simply no benefit to them to close off that possibility.
     
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