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SPECULATION Rey's lineage and the end of the Skywalker saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Protocol Droid, Nov 12, 2017.

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What does the announcement of RJ's new trilogy mean for the Skywalker saga, & Rey's lineage?

  1. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, & the end of the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Nobody)

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  2. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, but the Skywalker bloodline will live on (Rey Skywalker)

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  3. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Skywalker)

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  4. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker spirit (Rey Nobody)

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  5. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey is a Kenobi

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  6. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey's lineage is from the dark side

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  1. master_shaitan

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    Strange to say "never" when KK said they might.
     
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    certainly foresee movies past nine. Whether or not we carry on the Skywalker saga… you know, George always intended nine movies, and whether we continue that or not is something we’re talking about right now. If the story warrants it, we’ll absolutely do it. If it actually inspires new ideas, then we’ll probably head in that direction. We just don’t know yet.”

    Actually that sounds like she is going to keep the option open in case/when they want to go back. Its just not somehting she is comitted to doing yet.
     
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  3. master_shaitan

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    The Marvel universe is silly. People accept it because they're tongue in cheek films. Though having said that, I'd be surprised if they didn't reference the other heroes in some way and provide a clue to why they are not involved. I don't really care. I'm talking about Star Wars. And the point about Skywalker involvement is just one part of a bigger picture.

    Again: Then try and imagine this series of films (the ST), about the First Order taking over the galaxy, and not having the Skywalker's, who are alive, mentioned.

    You won't be able to.
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    It sounds like a lot of things. It is clear that it is being discussed: "whether we continue that or not is something we’re talking about right now".
    So like I say, it isn't right to say they will "never" consider ending the Skywalker story when KK has said they are doing so right now.
     
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    I am SUPER confident in saying "NEVER" even just thinking of it from the perspective of the fanbase. The Skywalker name is the most loved in all of the fandom, to kill it off would bring a nerd riot the likes of which we have never seen. The folks at EA would look at it and believe that they got off easy with the BF2 outrage.
     
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    But we're getting a Skywalker-less trilogy anyway. That is happening. And I am pretty confident that Disney will be hoping that these new characters will be loved as much as the Skywalker's. The plan will be to end the bloodline and tell that new story. But like I said, if it is a disaster and this is put down to it not being a continuation of Vader's story, then they could concoct some far fetched way of bringing them back.

    I also think you're missing a greater danger with the fanbase - continuing the Skywalker saga and ruining the legacy....
     
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    Yes and Star Wars are serious, Acadamy Award winning drama's - no silly space operas made mostly for children - LMAO. You're saying silly blast again.......

    PROVE what you're saying. Give us the EVIDENCE that audience won't accept a movie without the heroes calling Rey Skywalker for help. If you don't have evidence, if you don't have something to back your claim up all you have is your opinion - "it'd bother me" or "I think it would bother people" - which is 100% valid but it doesn't hold up a strong point very well, it just means you won't like it.

    Oh you and your deceptive language - its not ending the Skywalker Saga that people are talking about. Its DEFINITELY ending. Ending in such a way that it cannot be revisited ever again (like ending the bloodline). If they don't make Episode X for 20 years after IX.....for those 20 years it will have an ending. Her quote completely contridicts that idea
     
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    Except just a few pages ago, when some of us were arguing for why IX could - and in our opinions, should - be the end of the Skywalker Saga, you stated talking about why it’s illogical to not think that there will be another trilogy entry in the Skywalker Saga because it would make Disney money.

    To answer your question, though, I never suggested that Disney would end IX in a way which means X could never happen; ROTJ ended and here we are some 34 years later waiting for its sequel’s sequel. Trilogies can have a satisfying ending which feels like a true ending regardless of whether the story is eventually picked up again, so regardless of how IX ends, it would always be open to a potential sequel. Disney doesn’t have to make sure that the door’s left open: by its very nature, the ending of a trilogy, as we know, has the potential be the fertile grounds on which to begin planting a new trilogy.

    But that’s not at all what I’ve been arguing against, in my honest opinion.

    I’m arguing that Disney will make a lot of money, and a healthy profit, almost regardless of whether a Star Wars film is an Episode X or a Kenobi standalone, so the argument of money is almost a non-starter in being a reason for there being an Episode X.
     
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    Citation needed.

    You can prove it at the sametime you give us all the evidence that Rey Skywalker existing but not being in the movie would lead it being bad and a faillure.
     
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    67% of 1000 is still less that the 54% of 2500 and so on.
     
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    What quote are you referring too - and please quote it, I've seen how good your paraphrasing is

    No, but Master Shaitan is, thats what this conversation is about right now. I think RotJ is a good example - Episode IX will end with an ending to that story, to that phase of these characters lives - and a hint of what they'll do after the films. If you never watch and read anything about themagain, you've got an ending. BUT There will be a Skywalker left alive, they'll give themselves the option to continue the story if (I would bet when but....) they decide they want too at some point. It could be 30-40 years from now but......

    TFA made roughly double what Rogue One did. And the movie grosses isn't the only revenue source - a series of books or comics about Rey post Episode IX. A tv series about her etc... The books, comics, figures, collectables etc... they could market with the next generatino of characters......Its all stuff they can brand, market and sell.
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    meaningless though.

    You said "I can tell you that Marvel movies outside US are not that big thing they are in the US." - But they are. They make the majority of their money outside the USA. TFA did too (by a smaller margin), but ROgue One didn't.

    It doesn't matter the amounts we're talking, you mentioned where they make their money.
     
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    One final time:

    If in 2012 LFL said that they would be making a new SW trilogy, set 30 years after the events of ROTJ about a new evil trying to take over the galaxy - and there was no mention, connection or reference to the Skywalker's, would you have been fine with that?
     
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    A new trilogy without Skywalkers is far different than killing off the bloodline rendering it impossible to explore it's future in the EU books and comics. That would be crazy. I think that Rian's new trilogy is going to be far enough away from Skywalkers (most likely in the past) that said legacy is not an issue. The only way that Rian can get a legitimate clean slate is to move away in time from this saga to where nobody in it can be a factor. I don't believe that we'll get Revan films, but I do think that Rian will go back to earlier days of the Republic. Clean slate, new characters and COMPLETELY detached from this saga.
     
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    Evidence Master Shaitan. Evidence. I've given it to you - if you want to continue having a conversation with the big boys you have to provide some or acknowledge you're arguing your opinion and nothing more.


    and if the press release said - "Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Johnson will create a brand-new Star Wars trilogy, the first of which he is also set to write and direct, with longtime collaborator Ram Bergman onboard to produce.

    As writer-director of Looper, Johnson conceived and realized a powerful film of which Lucasfilm and Disney are immensely proud. In shepherding this new trilogy, which is separate from the episodic Skywalker saga, Johnson will introduce new characters from a corner of the galaxy that Star Wars lore has never before explored"

    No it wouldn't. Still waiting for evidence that it would bother a general audience.

    Mod Edit: Please refrain from name calling.
     
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    It’s pointless debating this. It’s like trying to understand the thinking behind those who believe Snoke is just Snoke.

    #plagueisconfirmed

    For the record though, they’ll be no Skywalker’s left by the end of XI. Rey will begin a new Jedi Order. Leia dies. Luke becomes one with the force. Kylo sacrifices himself to save Rey - #reyloconfirmed and the creator of the Chosen One, Snoke (the former Sith Lord Darth Plagueis) is killed once and for all. The end.

    IMO.
     
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    Is that supposed to be a sly dig?

    I don’t think I’ve been anything except respectful and courteous during this debate, @Canadian Ronin , and even accepted when and where I was wrong for the sake of the debate.

    I’m going to request a citation for your example of my paraphrasing, however poor it might have been in your eyes.

    I said:
    To which you responded:
    X, XI and XII would be the next trilogy entry in the Skywalker Saga, and you seemed to be arguing that even if the trilogy wasn’t about a Skywalker, that there was no benefit to Disney/Lucasfilm calling it something else.

    Ergo: a trilogy set after IX which wasn’t a part of the Skywalker Saga (i.e. X, XI and XII) wouldn’t be (financially, I think, is implied here) beneficial to Disney/Lucasfilm.

    Hence: Disney/Lucasfilm would make another trilogy in the Skywalker Saga for the purpose financial gain (i.e. for money).
     
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    we have no idea about where/when Rians film (cause he only making the first remember) will take place. It could be 1000 years before TPM, it could star 5 minutes after Episode IX do - depends what kind of story he wants to tell.

    Reven is legends and won't be the subject of any films. The KotOR setting as we know it (the legends one) won't be used simply because it feels like fan fiction. To "buy" into that era you have to buy into the concept that nothing has changed in the Star Wars universe in 4,000+ years. I think a deep history prequel is a possiblity for this trilogy and/or future material, but it will be very different from the Legends stuff. PRobably so not so long before TPM, they'll make it fit with what is said in the PT, OT and ST (no war since formation of the Republic, no Republic army, Sith once ruled the galaxy, Jedha probably have a strong link to the Jedi etc....)
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    No - statement of fact, you paraphrased me in your post and completely changed what I said.


    Was changed to




    And I'm still waiting for the citation I asked for you

    Never mind, I found it, but again you misquote me. Here is what was actually said by both of us


    But I'ms ure you didn't mean to edit what I said to make it SEEM like I'm saying there is no benefit in making movies without the Skywalkers........ Wow, even when you do actually quote its wrong.......
     
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    I'll take that as a no then, big boy.
     
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    This is how TFA wqas annoucned - "Ms. Kennedy will serve as executive producer on new Star Wars feature films, with George Lucas serving as creative consultant. Star Wars Episode 7 is targeted for release in 2015, with more feature films expected to continue the Star Wars saga and grow the franchise well into the future."

    Is this really that hard to understand? Do you not see how announcing Episode 7 and announcing a movie with new characters in an unexplored corner of the galaxy set up different expectations? Do you think people where or should have been upset that Rogue One wasn't about Luke, Han and Leia?

    Sure, if they announced Episode 7 (or 10) and the Skywalkers weren't there I'd be annoyed at that.

    Stillw aiting for that evidence that most peopel think like you and will have a problem with Rey Skywalker existing and not helping - you seem to be going to some lengths to avoid this.
     
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    Can we begin by conceding that Rogue One was full of fan service that ensured all kinds of existing characters from the OT made cameos and appearances in the film? That even Rogue One action figures contained a blend of characters we already knew and characters that were new? Also Leia was called? And provided a key service to "win the day" if you remember and nobody even knows Luke exists, probably not even Moth Mothma. And OB1's location is so secret, it could barely be whispered let alone brought into the fray.

    Again, if trying to predict Disney's next move, put on your "big business" hat and take off the "fan who has read almost every SW novel ever" hat. Rian's new trilogy will push itself to a distant corner of the galaxy where new stories, new characters and a new narrative tapestry can be woven without being "weighed down" with the light versus darkness theme in the Skywalker saga.

    That said, there is no way, iconic characters that push the box office, that sell toys and make shareholders excited are not going to be fully exploited. If even 30 seconds of Admiral Thrawn, Finn or Poe means good business, Disney will have no problem at all making it happen.

    And I'll say this, I think Marvel is closer to the model Disney wants. Sure Marvel isn't as impressive internationally, but it is still a multi-billion dollar franchise and just about every other major movie franchise covets their success, just ask Warner Brothers and FOX, who respectively can't get DC or X-Men anywhere near that level of success.

    And I believe much more is coming our way. The market is saturated yet, there's still more demand for Star Wars than actual product. And if Kathleen can find ways to push two profitable Star Wars films on us a year, she will work towards that goal. And if Episode VIII explodes like TFA and if Episode IX brings further excitement, Episode X is so inevitable, so utterly logical, there's just no way a large corporation isn't going to keep forging films that make a billion bucks.

    There's a million stories to tell with this franchise, but there's also a stable of established characters to exploit and support those stories. Trust me, Disney is going to use and reuse any and all assets that keep the money rolling.
     
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    It took 9 pages, but we got there guys.

    Shaitan over and out.
     
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