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SPECULATION Rey's Not Getting Trained at the Beginning of VIII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by RuccusRob, Dec 28, 2015.

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    I've been reading a lot of posts, and it seems everyone is assuming Rey is going to be trained in between VII and VIII.

    Were people not paying attention?

    Luke left because he doesn't want a horse in the Galactic conflict. Rey was sent to Luke, not to become his student, but to convince him to take on new pupils in the first place. I don't doubt that the plot of VIII will in part be about Rey's attempt to convince him to train new Jedi, to which he will be much reluctant. Crap will go down with the Resistance, probably involving Finn's storyline, and he will make the choice at the end. IX will have a trained up Rey, and maybe some other characters, and the final conflict will be for their survival against KoR, Snoke, and the First Order.

    But think about it. This is probably why Rey knows so much already. She needs to be skilled enough for the next installment without Luke's help. Also, the entire arc seems to be hinged on Snoke's ambition to stop Luke from making a new generation of Jedi.

    So why would that inner conflict be remedied offscreen?
     
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    Wrong, she might have some training, but to face the challenges she will face she need to be a full flagged Jedi Knight, she need to finish her trials.

    Luke learned from his mistakes, he knows he should stay with Yoda and finished his training, and Rey won't give him a choice.

    I agree with you that Luke might be reluctant, but that's why she being his Daughter is an important plot point, she already accepted her destiny and will fight Snoke with or without his help.

    If he was the one who abandoned her in Jakku he won't do that again, if he didn't is the chance to be closer to his daughter after 15 years
     
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    Is the beginning of your post canon ?
     
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    Yeah. He left because he felt he was to blame for what happened with ben. The whole mission Rey and Finn were on was to get the map to Luke, so Leia can pull him back in. So it stands to reason that Rey is her envoy, and has to convince Luke to train her and not give up on his goal of creating a New Jedi Order.

    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 28, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 28, 2015 ---
    What I mean is she's going to be untrained for a bulk of VIII and will have to use what skills she has until Luke comes over.
     
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    and i'm disagreeing, Luke won't commit the same error, her training will be arc 1 of episode 8
     
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    But that makes no sense.

    If he was ready to take on new pupils he would have returned to the fold on his own once the Force directed him.

    And from a storytelling standpoint Han had a storyline, and to a lesser extent Leia. Luke's arc is going to be coming to terms with what happened. If he starts training new pupils now then half the tension TFA set up will go, and it will just become a Force arms race.

    Her training will start In the last act of the 8 movie at the earliest. Before then she'll probably practice in front of Luke and receive some back story.
     
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    So the sabre speaking to Rey through obi wan and yoda meant nothing or are we to ignore this?
     
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    The only way any of it makes sense to me is that it was Kylo who left Rey on Jakku. Luke thought she was killed with the others, but Kylo secretly hid her on Jakku away from Luke AND Snoke. So Luke thought all his pupils were dead...but now he knows Rey, his daughter/neice, is ALIVE! Luke's got some decisions to make.
     
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    The ST is a three movie series. Just because Rey's not getting trained immediately doesn't mean she's not getting trained. In fact I say quite the opposite.
     
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    What mistake did Luke make? He was right to leave Yoda when he did. Things would have gone much worse otherwise, and he ended up being a full-fledged Jedi Knight in the end anyway.
     
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    Was Luke in Empire at the beginning? NO..
     
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    Rey isn't Luke and the story of Empire was part of the OTs arc revolving around Vader's redemption. Not convincing Yoda to come back to the Rebellion to remake the Jedi Order.
     
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    I have said elsewhere, and I'll say it again: I believe early scenes in Episode VIII will include Rey's training by Luke.

    All real drama turns on conflict. And here's the conflict:

    Luke vehemently resisting training anyone!
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    Rey insisting Luke has to be the one to train her!    ​

    The essence of those scenes will be LUKE: No I WON'T! -- REY: Yes, you must!...

    That's delicious conflict and it'll make for great drama!
     
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    That's like two seconds worth of drama.

    We are supposed to believe that Luke has been angsting for more than a decade and all of it should be solved in a few moments? That's bad writing.

    There's no rush to train Rey. One Jedi won't be able to stop all of the Dark Side Force users anyway.
     
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    No. That's "like two seconds" of describing the essence of the conflict.

    It was not "solved in a few moments" -- something was just pointed out in a few moments. Neither of us has read Rian Johnson's script yet ... unless you're accusing me of 'bad writing' ... which is kinda unfair (and kinda insulting) considering I haven't written any scenes here!

    It's Storytelling 101: 1. A character wants something. 2. Something gets in their way. 3. What do they do about it?

    Luke's "angsting" is what feeds his side of the conflict. Again: what I said simply described the conflict, pointed it out.

    It's going to take a lot longer to resolve the conflict. (IOW, I pointed out how the conflict could be set up -- NOT how it's going to play out!)
     
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    Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

    Anyway, It's my belief that Luke's inner conflict isn't going to get resolved after he starts training Rey, and that inner conflict will take time. Showing him making Rey do force drills while he's debating whether or not to return would ignore the reason he left. It was his training that empowered Kylo to betray him and lose people their lives.

    Rey is going to have to prove herself, and VIII is going to be about that.
     
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    The baton was passed back to Luke. Rey brought him back his purpose. I think they have more plots to move than jusy Luke and Rey.
     
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    Why Luke has chosen seclusion would be part of an Inner Conflict. (both sides of the conflict are inside Luke: Desire for his students to do well versus his own failure to do so. )
    Luke not wanting to train anyone versus Rey's desire to be trained by him, would be an Outer Conflict. (Each side of the conflict are two characters, not just one.)
     
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    Wrong, for the movies it worked out because it's a movie.

    But from a "real life" perspective, nothing that Luke did helped Leia and Han, Lando would save her anyway, Han was still in carbonite, him going to Cloudy City changed absolutely nothing, just robbed him of valued time with Yoda, and maybe even played a part on him losing Ben Solo to Snoke.
     
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    Thinking on all this has me curious: How many of the Knights of Ren are former students of Luke?

    Is Luke's guilt and feelings of failure from more than just Ben's turn?
     
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