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SPECULATION Rey's Not Getting Trained at the Beginning of VIII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by RuccusRob, Dec 28, 2015.

  1. RuccusRob

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    He didn't even accept it yet. I doubt he's just going to say. "Ok, you convinced me," having just been handed one.

    If Luke starts training new pupils then half the conflict of there being no one to train new Jedi will have been resolved before VIII barely starts. The remaining conflict will be a struggle with Snoke.

    If Luke holds out then the conflict against Luke's pupils vs Snoke's will be played out in the series's conclusion, where it belongs.
     
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    I think SW8 will pick up similarly to ESB, cut out some of this in between story, establish some "where they've been" with the characters and I feel that Rey will already be Lukes second, well-established.
     
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    I know this wont happen AT ALL. but...

    What if?
    What if Luke actually tells Rey Ok, lets do this, and they go on as Master and Padawan PT Style?
    Like a real jedi training relationship, old school way, and that the movie starts 2 or 3 years after The Force Awakens, the First Order now has a a huge fleet and they are actually in a full fledged war against the Resistance for the Galaxy?

    and luke rey and chewbacca go on to fight the first order in the Padawan/Master like Obi-wan/Anakin fashion? You cant deny it would be cool

    but...

    I Belive Rian Johnson is going to go darker and very different and new on VIII and probably Luke wont be the Hero he wont like training rey he wont be the UBER Master Jedi everybody thinks, and no he will not save the day he never has saved the day, only in EP IV but back then he wasnt a jedi or knew the shitstorm coming his way.
     
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    Rey not getting trained about the beginning of episode 8, this reminds me of TESB when Yoda was hesitant in training Luke but before Obi Wan persuaded him I can see Yoda playing that if Luke goes the same way, ''Train her you must, the last jedi no longer you are''
     
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    Why would Kylo do that? For him to do something like that it means that she is his sister/cousin and he didn't want her dead. But then why wouldn't he sense her presence like he feels the presence of Han? I mean they were face to face brawling, it would be a major plot hole if he knew who she is.
     
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    There ain't no way they're going to skip Luke's angst. After all that set up and all that trouble Rey and Finn went through? After all those years Leia went looking?
    The story writes itself, but cutting all that out demands filler and exposition.
     
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    So no need to understand how he became a dad but getting back into the saddle as jedi master is too important.

    He went to the temple to hide/wait. The Force sent a reply. REY.
     
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    Here's something that I think can happen:

    Luke will be reluctant to train Rey, but she will likely convince him to come out in the open to perhaps help the Resistance. Rey will likely shadow Luke as an assistant and will watch and learn from him without his initial direct teaching.

    There is going to come a time (in VIII) when Luke will intervene and say to Rey; "No, like this." and show her how to summons the Force.....giving her an inadvertent first lesson that will evolve from there into an apprenticeship and full training in the end.

    While I personally think that Rey is Luke's daughter (and my wife doesn't), I think he knows it and she doesn't, and for that reason, he won't initially give her the training to go get herself killed in this war, because he'll blame himself again and can't bear the thought of it.
     
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    I can see that.
     
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    Kylo was seduced by the Dark Side, but there is still Light in him. He couldn't bring himself to kill his own blood. (a hurdle he seems to have gotten over, 15 years later when he make Han-kabobs). And as far as sensing goes....that's always been a little hazy. Vader had to think about it for a while before he knew it was Kenobi on the Death Star, and that might have been Obi Wan letting him sense him. None of the Jedi could sense that Palpatine was Sidious. Vader didn't sense Luke or Obiwan on Tatooine (granted he was in orbit). My point is that Kylo doesn't want to kill Rey. He didn't want to kill Han. He's still got too much Light. I'm sure he was way more conflicted during the Jedi massacre. Also there seemed to be some vague familiarity between the two in the interigation room.

    Now that Luke know's she's alive, I think he'll finish what he started. And fullfill Yoda's dying wish, to pass on what he has learned...But I don't really care to see a bunch of training on screen. I'd rather just see the results.
     
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    I think the first part of your theory is correct except I don't think Luke will be interested in helping the resistance but he will have Rey running around the galaxy with him hunting Jedi relics,and Ep 8 something will happen with the resistance that makes Rey get Luke to rejoin the conflict.
     
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    What do you guys think of the idea of Rey's staff being the beginning of a Lightsaber?

    It would explain why she hasn't dropped it yet.
     
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    I initially suspected that it was perhaps a "Staff-saber" that she was perhaps not aware of....now I don't think so, BUT if it were developed into that type of weapon because she's so proficient with it, it would be a good platform to see a weapons development take place.
     
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    Might be way off base, but I think Luke won't be hesitant at all to train Rey because he's the one that set everything up to make sure she found him, once the force deemed the time was right
     
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    LOL, stranger things have happened for sure! :)
     
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    I find that hard to believe.

    Leia implies that the FO grew like a cancer because Luke's self-exile
     
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    Rey does not look like she wants to be trained and you can see it her scared eyes handing Luke that saber. She wants no part of it even though the force helped her remember some things and see past and present. Plus beat Kylo by the end f their duel.

    But that saber came to her and it evoked some things within her, so she knows the truth. Obi Wan and Yoda is calling out. The force was calling out

    "You have taken your first steps." Pretty much a forehadowing of Rey walking up those steps to Luke.

    So what is she gonna do? That is the question. Her desire is to go back to Jakku and wait. This will be her struggle. It will mirror Luke running off during his training. And she will probably get her ass kicked.
     
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    The explanation is fairly simple, for her that's Luke lightsaber, she never intended to keep it, so she need a weapon, and the weapon she knows is her staff.
     
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    That last part you mention is pretty interesting. Didn't Obi-wan or Yoda tell Luke not to confront Vader? (or was it the other way around?) If so it would make total sense.
     
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    Yes, Yoda said he wasn't ready to face Vader, that he would be consumed by the Darkside.

    After he decide to leave is when Yoda and Obi-Wan kind of feel all hope is lost, and Yoda say no there's another one.

    Lucas decided that he was taking of Leia, IMO he was talking about Rey.
     
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