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Rey's sacred Jedi texts

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Trevor, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. Trevor

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    So, as we all know (or SHOULD by now), Rey successfully hijacked Luke's Jedi manuscripts. After watching TLJ (and more specifically "Luke") I was almost giddy over the fact that she had the books...and would learn "The Jedi Way".

    But there's a hitch....

    I've read The Jedi Path, and in my mind, those pages that Rey is going to read are going to focus more on the way and history of the Order than on the Force itself...this is an assumption of what those books are, mind you.

    Now, we all know that with enough skinned knees and ego's, we can teach ourselves how to ride a bike, as apparently Rey has done with learning a rudimentary use of the Force, and really didn't (or couldn't) reach out too much further than arm's length until Luke told her that it was SO much deeper...only then did she see.

    There's little doubt in my mind that she'll likely get some "Force Ghost Tutoring" from Luke, and I expect that we're going to hear how she needs to "Unlearn what you have learned" about the Jedi Order, which immediately makes me wonder why Yoda would've allowed her to get away with them, but at the same time, I figure that they would want her to understand what the Order WAS in order for her to understand what (and WHO) she needs to be if she is to ever consider herself a Jedi...if she even wants to.

    I personally think (and would like to see for my own amusement) that Rey is going to be shocked when ANY Force-Ghost appears to her for the first time, as she might question her own sanity, but beyond that, I think it would be most appropriate for her to get lessons from each Yoda, Anakin, Obi-wan, AND Luke, as each one of them saw a different era and/or side of the Order as well as having their own understandings and perceptions of the Force.

    In the end, I wonder if Rey, after learning of the extinct Order through those manuscripts, will have any interest in burdening herself with the work of rebuilding such a thing, or like Luke, go out into the Galaxy in search of more understanding of the Jedi to bring them back?
     
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    Don't you think they will leave most of the things you mentioned above to be described in books and comics, because they could have happened in the "time gap" between VIII & IX (like the whole Clone Wars stuff)?
     
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    See, there's another hitch;

    We blindly speculate (like I've done above) about how much time will elapse between VIII and IX.....

    Will she be fully trained and be a "Solo" (pun HEAVILY INTENDED) wanderer??

    Will she be trained and have a "sidekick" or a padawan??

    OR will we see her still struggling with it all, calling on FG Luke like we saw HIM going back to Yoda in ROTJ?

    My brain hurts......
     
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    I really hope we see her struggle to come to grips with what it actually means to be a Jedi & definitely no Padawans & we definitely need at the very least a Luke force Ghost but Kenobi & even Qui-Gon would be very much appreciated.

    Those books may give her some insight into what it means in theory to become the force but it only by hard graft & some failures that she will grow as a force user.
    The novel has an interesting take on where she may be heading in terms of her outlook on the force

    The force was not her instrument that in fact it was the other way around.

    Just as Kylo was it's instrument dispite his determination to bend it to his will. He would learn that one day she sensed the Force wasn't finished with him. & that ment Kylo life was not hers to take whatever future she thought she saw a head of him .

    The future would unfold as the Force willed. That had always been true. The difference was that now she understood it.
    There is quite a bit of stuff like this in the novel as internal thoughts work much better in a novel then in film.
     
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    To be honest, my first discussion with my son after our 4th view of VIII was a speculation about the fact that we saw a punch of "finishing moves" in TLJ (Snokes death, Lukes death, Leia stepping back behind Poe, Finn becoming a "real" Rebel, Rey taking over the Jedi lore, Kylo claiming the FO lead....)
    Having that in mind there is even more space for "the challenges of a new generation" that in fact has taken over the whole thing.

    1)"Political" the whole GFFA is a big mess, a political "space vacuum".
    Where is the rest of New Rep. survivors beside the tiny resistance "spark group"?
    What will old fashioned Imperial alikes of the FO say to their new "dynamical leadership duo", especially to a new Supreme "out of control"?
    Where should Rey in times of total chaos and being hunted by Kylo and the whole FO go do have time and space to dive deeper into the Force?

    The "era" we have left in VIII reminds me of the state where the "Rebels" series has been started.. with little cells joining (for ex. Rey in a sort of "Ezra" role, Poe in a "Hera" role, Finn as "Kallus"..).
    Is Rey, maybe, able to find some of Lukes old students or the former "Knights of Ren"?..
    yep. headache, of course :D
     
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    BIG FAT MESS.......Ugh.
     
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    Yeah, I kinda wonder if we won't have a significant time skip, allowing for supplementary material (comics, books, games, etc) to show how these cells evolve.

    I mean, we need a time skip, but I hope it doesn't gloss over too much.
     
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    It is gonna be hilarious if Rey never learned to read while living on the Jakku desert.
     
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    That is so messed up....PLOT HOLE!!! :D:D:D
     
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    I could have typed in
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    "I have enjoyed VIII, but I have no clue at all what Rey will begin with the Books" :)
    ...
    instead of my post above,

    but it was much more fun to spill out some ramdom thoughts about the current state after the events of VIII :D
     
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    I'm really curious how the whole force ghost thing goes from here. There's been this huge build up with the ghosts I wish there was some kind of payoff in the 9th film. Have we ever seen a force ghost interact with a person they didn't know? That might rule out anyone but Luke visiting her.
     
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    No, we haven't...which (as you've said) might be problematic.
     
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    I hope a few years pass between Episodes 8 and 9, with comics bridging the gap just like we got the canon SW comics covering the time between ANH and ESB...and during this time, Rey could attempt to decipher the jedi books and seek guidance just like Luke did in the comics using Obi-wan's journals.

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    The comics could have adventures of Rey, Poe, Finn and Rose together or separately with other characters (Maz, DJ, broom boi?). There could also be stories about the state of the galaxy under Supreme Leader Ren, and General Hux, with Kylo seeking out Rey (but not giving away anything major).

    The concept art of the jedi book pages show astrological positions. In TCW, Mother Talzin tried performing a ritual during an eclipse to become more powerful than both the jedi and the sith. I wonder if this concept might be re-visited in this trilogy since the story of a similar sounding ritual was also mentioned in Weapon of a Jedi.
     
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    I honestly think it is unlikely when we next see Ray that she'll have Padawans, but one would think at some point she has to start? I am loathe to use any other movie in the ST as metadata for future movies (because they just don't seem to be connected enough) but in TFA Snoke says if Skywalker is found the New Jedi will rise. I think most of us assume that means plural. But perhaps in the New Order the Jedi don't have to spend their entire life becoming Jedi (I think it's one of the principal problems with Ray's ascenion, even the "Chosen One" Anakin trained for most of his life). So maybe it is feasible at the end of EPIX we see Ray taking Padawans (if the time skip between TLJ and EPIX is large enough)
     
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    I like where BF2 went with everything. Zay and Shriv being the ones that Leia sent to the outer rim to get reinforcements (I only played the campaign, so I am unsure if the other missions are the same) . I am anxious to find out what happened to them and why they failed at that. Even if it doesn't play out in the movie. Though I do think there will have to be an explanation as to why no help came.
     
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    *cue the leifmotif of "Across the Stars" in the background*

    (hey it's the audiobook not me! LOL)

    Throw Ezra, Thrawn, Ahsoka potentially being still alive by then plus another potential FS named Jacen and there you go, more possibilities come afloat!
     
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    OLD NEWS ALERT LOL:

    TFA_Rey_XWing_Screengrab2.jpg
    Don't know what language the texts are written in but we do know she can read Aurebesh, at least some what.
     
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    Yoda said that everything within the books, is already within Rey. IMO, that's saying that whatever the form the jedi evolve to, it will come from what Rey chooses to adapt or drop from the ancient scripts and what she herself will bring from her own essence and relationship with the force. Every force sensitive individual has their own unique interactions with the omnipotent and eternal force. I say eternal because the force in it's infiniteness, is much more wise than the force sensitive "transient" recipient (the fact that when a jedi "dies", they become one with the force or always we're is noted here).

    @Addi Ras, thanks.
    The force was not her instrument that in fact it was the other way around.[/QUOTE]

    It's not so much.......neither has it been all along about the recipients of the force rather than the will of the force itself. The question is, what is the will of the force? Is it the will of the force to be represented as ashla and bogan? Or it ashla and bogan a destructive transient interpretation? Just me delving into my speculation here folks. It's difficult to say at this point what direction Rey will take. Rey will definitely be identifiable to fans as at least a type of jedi. I don't think Disney is ready to abandon the aspect of there being at least, some sort of jedi in star wars. At least in the Skywalker saga.
     
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    @Trevor, interesting idea, but is the Jedi Path book canon? I thought it was part of Legends. I know there's a lot of stuff in it that even TLJ draws from (like Rian's Force projection tweet) but I'm not sure everything in it fits snugly into canon.

    By the way, congrats on Thread of the Week!
     
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    That's just it...it isn't canon, and yes, Rian did point out that he drew from it. I was just trying to draw a speculative comparison about the fact that Rey might see a lot of things like those in Jedi Path, which seemed to be more about the Jedi and it's history than the Force itself.

    Thanks, I really didn't expect that to happen. Thanks to the 1030th mods for voting it in! :)
     
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