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SPECULATION Rey's vision with Dark Rey context

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Andrew Waples, Aug 27, 2019.

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    while i appreciate what you are saying (and what you want), that's really not how marketing works.
    if it was, then Usual Suspects would have been marketed as "Verbal gets the drop on a bunch of naive cops by spinning stories".
    or, closer to home: "Luke saves his father from the Dark side" would have been the marketing premise for the OT starting with ANH.

    i want Rey to be the hero of the story.
    and for her to be the hero without needing a silly bloodline to legitimize her.
    on that count we want the same thing. : D
     
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    I see.
    But I also see that that kind of narrative that I've spoke about above (and that gives all those things to another character) so far as lead many people to believe that she's half protagonist.
    And many others (not you necessarily) to believe that the protagonist is Ben/Kylo.
    We can acknowledge that they exist, I guess.

    And that is why - as someone who really believes in the power of storytelling to convey cultural values - I hope what I hope.
     
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    I think option 2 is the much more interesting option here. We’ve seen Rey be tempted by the dark already. But it would be cool to see Kylo Ren get a vision of his hoped for future - domination of the galaxy with a dark Rey by his side. Would the fantasy live up to his expectations? Or would he find her not as interesting? She seems pretty robotic in the vision which feels like a hint that her personality has been dominated in some way.

    Possibilities:
    1) A vision from Palpatine
    2) Palpatine actually possesses her as a temptation to Kylo
    3) A vision from Luke that shows Ben he doesn’t want what he thinks he wants.

    Any of these seem so much more compelling than Rey “being tempted” yet again.
     
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    That's from when Kenobi says "You will do it alone. I cannot interfere."
     
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    Luke is The Ghost of christmas yet to come.
    The Phantom slowly, gravely, silently, approached. When it came near him, Kylo bent down upon his knee; for in the very air through which this Spirit moved it seemed to scatter gloom and mystery. It was shrouded in a deep black garment, which concealed its head, its face, its form, and left nothing of it visible save one outstretched hand. [...] It thrilled Kylo with a vague uncertain horror, to know that behind the mask there were Lukes eyes staring at him.
    ...
    "I fear you more than any Spectre I have seen. But, as I know your purpose is to do me good, and as I hope to live to be another man from what I was, I am prepared to bear you company, and do it with a thankful heart. Will you not speak to me?"
    "See you around kid", the phantom answered
     
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    I have no clue what is going on with dark side Rey but she really rocks the Sith look. She's smokin with the hood and the red saber.

    Is it possible that she does indeed go to the dark side but only for part of the movie. She could go dark after getting some earth-shattering revelation and come to her senses by the end of the movie.
     
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    In the trailer of TFA we saw Finn with a lightsaber and he wasn't a jedi at all.

    Trailers are made for this and it doesn't imply at all that it means anything in the whole movie.
     
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    I'm enjoying all the speculation about Dark Rey - is she a clone? Is it a vision? To go a bit 'Lost', is it a Force Sideways?

    I'm not overly keen on the clone theory and I can't remember if on any SW trailer, sizzle reel, BTS footage we have ever seen part of a Force Vision? (I may be wrong, but can't think of one) EDIT - actually, were the KOR were in a Force Awakens promo? If so please forget this bit

    But I think the images are as we see them. Rey will go to the Dark Side in this movie. I think it will happen at the beginning of the third act, and it will make Kylo either want to stop Rey going down this path (he realises he has been duped by Palpatine) OR he is jealous of Rey's power and they fight to be Palpatine's apprentice.
     
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    True, but it wasn't a spoiler.
     
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    The Knights of Ren in TFA.

    Oopsie, you mentionned it :D

    We also saw Luke and R2 on the burning temple at one moment, I don't remember when
     
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    I love the speculation and I myself would love to see Rey go to the dark side. But it isn't going to happen. Not in a million years. Why? Because if she was truly going to go over they'd never show footage of it. Never. If they were doing the Empire Strikes Back today, you know they'd NEVER EVER EVER release a clip of Vader telling Luke, "No, I am your father!"

    I've always thought Kylo lied to Rey (why would he tell her the truth?) and that she is a Skywalker. I mean this IS the Skywalker saga, and as Lucas said over and over, it's a story about family. I just don't see them making the protagonist of the story a non family member. I guess we will find out in what, just under 4 months?
     
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    And yet they included Palpy in the trailer twice and the poster! Which leads me to believe he has a bigger role then then just a cameo. Remember: Luke was never featured in the posters for TFA.
     
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    I think he was revealed early in the marketing because:
    1) he will appear in the first act of the movie
    2) to hide the real surprise (something like Hayden or Supreme Leader Hux)
     
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    He was revealed early to get people excited. There’s a lot of TLJ haters to win back.
     
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    Kylo was never Dark at most he is muddy.

    You don’t need to end Rey to close the Skywalker Saga. In fact you can start the next Saga with Emperor Rey or Darth Lith and eventually see her history unfold.
     
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    Right... tell that to the settlement at the beginning of TFA.
     
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    ... and tell that to Kanjiklub.

    :D
     
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    I'm wary about this Dark Rey thing, for a couple of reasons.

    On one hand, I agree with this. Even before the second trailer came out, I was already concerned about the movie potentially having to cover too much narrative ground. If there's a Dark Rey arc on top of everything else, I'm worried that things will come off rushed.

    But on the other hand, since they have already teased us with the possibility of Rey going dark, then I want them to actually deliver on that to at least some extent. I'll feel kinda cheated if it just turns out to be a quick vision or something else relatively inconsequential.

    I'm still looking forward to the movie regardless, but I have a hard time seeing how this'll play out.
     
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    I don’t know if Rey will turn dark, but I find it believable that she will have dark side temptations. Daisy said “there’s no smoke without fire.” I think our Rey is going to get majorly pissed off about something and it will have its consequences.
     
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    ^Actually, I could see that working out.
     
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