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HUMOR Rian Johnson calls out Mike Zeroh

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by Beauke, Aug 31, 2018.

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  1. DailyPlunge

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    This is really simple. Either you believe Rian Johnson is lying about working on Star Wars or you believe he's telling the truth.

    We know Rian Johnson turned down the opportunity to direct IX last Summer and then last fall Disney approached him about doing another trilogy. This doesn't sound like a project that was close to production. So Rian Johnson has plenty of time.

    I think what's confusing is that the Game of Thrones guys were announced later, but based on some reports that had been discussed for a long time. So it stands to reason that the other project is first.
     
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    I just wanted to post that I thought that TLJ backlash was minor, the box office proved this, however; what shocked me was a person at work stated that TLJ destroyed the most optimistic character ever created. The person went on to say the filmmaker (he didn't know Rian Johnson by name I think he is just a general Star Wars fan) destroyed Luke Skywalker and Star Wars. I didn't know the person was a Star Wars fan until he saw me reading Thrawn novel at work during my lunch break.

    After talking to him, I believed the backlash was beyond just a small community that hated TLJ and I truly believe Iger is aware of this.

    I also want to note I don't feel this way at all. I'm huge Luke Skywalker fan I could not put down The legend of Luke Skywalker. It is my favorite Star Wars book thus far. I like Rain Johnson and his take on Luke. I've watched TLJ so many times and I enjoy it every time.

    Just wanted to point out the backlash isn't minor...
     
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    That's what happens when you have to satisfy a huge group of people, who all want different things. Neither am I, nor anybody I know have ever considered optimism to be a defining trait of Luke.
    As for the actual size of the backlash - that we will see when Episode IX comes out. And, sadly, we still have more than a year ahead of us to speculate, complain, argue, spread rumours, interpret interviews, make angry Youtube rants, attack Rian Johnson, attack people who attack Rian Johnson, attack people who defend Rian Johnson and all the other fun internet activities.
    Oh, and the Resistance cartoon comes out in two weeks. Currently the main trailer has 12,000 likes and 136,000 dislikes. So, more fun times are coming.
     
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    This guy isn't a member of any Star Wars forum. He's just a guy who liked the OT trilogy and went out to see Star Wars film and agrees that Luke Skywalker was done wrong, or written wrong, or that wasn't Luke Skywalker i grew up with. Allot of people he knows feels the same way too. I was shocked, and he told me he would talk to me in-depth later on but we never had that talk.

    I thought Rebels was stupid but after watching I got addicted to it, so I'll wait and see how the Resistance is before I say anything negative.
     
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    But other directors do it often. You are putting the cart before the horse. He isn't directing a big movie. It's a movie with a 2-3 month shoot and depending on the FX needed, released spring next year and they start the Star Wars film in late 2019. He's in the writing phase. Very few writers focus on only ONE project while writing.

    Bergman signed on to produce. That's about as official as it gets this early in the process.

    Get ready for a real wrench in your argument:
    Trevorrow filmed Book of Henry between September and November 2015.
    Before TFA was even released in theaters.
    So there goes that argument.
    Other than that, he was working on the JW2 script at some point in the 4 years between filming Book of Henry and the projected release date for episode 9.

    Currently JJ is writing 2 things, producing at least 4 things.....on top of Episode 9.
     
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    I never posted in forums up until TLJ.

    Did buy SW books, games, comics etc, and watched every premier. Perhaps a bit more then a casual fan, but still...

    Loved RO, liked TFA a lot...never went to see Solo and will not even prioritize watching it on DVD. No longer is a SW premiere a must in my friend circle.

    There’s no longer a place for a SW continuation for me. I used to be angry about opportunities lost, and the baffling lack of planning and coherency from TFA to TLJ...now I’m just past it. There are plenty of other sci-fi/space opera franchises that deliver, my spare time and money go there. I will always have the EU as well, and ROTJ as the end of the saga. Too bad, was excited for more after TFA.

    I think there’s quite a few of casual fans that feel this way, and I expect ep 9 to do poorly compared to TFA and TLJ because of it. The SW franchise is unfortunately on a downward slope unless Abrams can pull a miracle.
     
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    I agree, i think thats why Iger said he is slowing things down. Episode 9 will set the tone for future projects. LFL abruptly shutdown standalone films right after the Solo debacle, Iger is being very careful... he won't take the blame for anything else...
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    Trevorrow was one of the writers of Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom ( he did not direct that film).

    Trevorrow was taken off of episode 9 due to creative differences.

    The Book of Henry was a mess. CT can not work on multiple film projects at the same time.:p

    What I'm saying is Rian Johnson can not work on two films at the same time. He is working on this new film with Craig and when he is done he'll continue on with the Star Wars trilogy, if its not shelved, which I think is most likely.
     
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    I have no idea if you are trying to be humorous or if you actually believe those things. But they have nothing do with each other.
    Book of Henry was written in 1998. Filmed in Sept-Nov 2015.
    Trevorrow was hired to do EP9 in August 2015.

    After Carrie Fisher's passing, major re-writes were needed and CT and Lucasfilm couldn't come to an agreement. Thus replaced. It had nothing to do with more than one project being on his slate.

    What I am saying is, you have no evidence of even the most basic sort to support this claim that he cannot do this and any "evidence" you use is just made up and doesn't even fit the timeline.

    This movie "Knives Out" is likely done by March. Episode 9 is out in December. So the earliest you can expect a RJ Star War is December 2020. Which is plenty of time between now and then, especially if it isn't done to the grandeur level a saga film is.

    Writers write many things at once, it's why when a lot of writers pass, they have new books published long after their death. Michael Crichton just had a book published in 2018. He's been dead for 10 years. How? He wrote many things at once. They found a bunch of unfinished manuscripts or mostly finished novels. Screenwriters are the same way. It's easy to burn out when you are hyper-focused on one thing as a writer.
     
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    Exactly.
    Then just hear me now and believe me later.
     
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    You met a person who didn't like the film and now you're convinced the backlash isn't minor? We already know people didn't like TLJ. I know people who hated TFA. That doesn't mean there was a backlash against TFA.
    I wonder what they think all this vote brigading is going to accomplish? Is Disney going to pull the plug on an animated series aimed at children because a bunch of men on YouTube hate everything (YouTube traffic is overwhelmingly male before anyone complains)? Nope.

    The most common complaint about TFA was that it played it safe. Which was smart. There's no movie that was going to make everyone happy. This is just another reason why I'm excited Lucasfilm is moving on from the Skywalkers. It's time for something new. For me The Last Jedi was fantastic and Rian Johnson is a huge part of that.
     
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    Well, maybe if they scream, boycott and complain long enough, Disney is going to listen and start making things they want. That's could be why so many people took that "manbabies" tweet so personally, even though it was directed at one particular account.
     
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    They did already
    It was called Solo and it was a commercial flop.
    Weird huh? lol
     
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    Nah, it's not weird. Remember what these people were screaming saying when Solo was coming out? "Nobody wants this, we want Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson to be fired!". My nephews behave like that sometimes too.
     
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    Responding kind of late to this... I owned my own publishing company. I published 2 books. I certainly know how writers work (I've written a screenplay as well). I wrote the first book I published, and I wrote a chapter in the second book which was an anthology with multiple writers.

    All I'm really saying regardless if I'm right or wrong is I don't think we'll ever see a RJ Trilogy if Star Wars films continue to fail. Episode 9 better do good cuz Iger will start decapitating heads and projects like he did with all those so-called standalone films that were in development. Iger is taking the fall now for Solo but he won't take another hit for Episode 9. For him the GOT Showrunners is his only HOPE.

    RJ confirmed that he is still working on his trilogy but I believe thats incumbent on how EPIX does....
     
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    One Star Wars movie has "failed" and it wasn't the fault of the actual movie but internal issues that had nothing to do with Rian Johnson.
    I just don't follow your logic at all on this one.
     
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    One failed Star Wars movie isn't enough to terminate KK or RJ since the last 3 Star Wars films she produced made over 3 billion dollars.

    My logic is that the backlash of TLJ also led to one of the many factors that made Solo fail.

    With the failure of Solo, Iger has slowed everything down.

    If episode 9 doesn't succeed, which I hope it does, because I don't have a problem with JJ or RJ, I can see an RJ Trilogy going forward, but if EPIX fails which most likely won't happen, a domino effect will take place, and I believe Iger will cancel RJ's Trilogy and go forward with GoT Showrunners. That's my logic take it or leave it... HAHA:D
     
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    The backlash from TLJ is virtually nonexistent from a financial stand point.
    What made Solo fail was telling a story not a lot of people cared for, the giant publicized mess of a production and releasing it 6 months after another Star Wars film.
    Troubled production + short turnaround is more damning than a small contingent of crybabies protesting.
     
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    Don't forget that it came out right after Infinity War and Deadpool 2 - movies with expesive tickets that a lot of people wanted to see.
     
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    I used to believe that but not anymore...
     
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    Then a fanbase not turning out for Solo - a story more akin to what what 'allegedly' absent from TLJ - deserves to heal their own foot without medical attention after shooting it.

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