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OFFICIAL NEWS Rian Johnson on the Freedom of His ‘Star Wars’ Trilogy

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by Himmel, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Trevor

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    No, your repeated use of "Ruin" got old fast, as did the KK references..

    Here's the thing; I started watching this saga in the theater in '77, and TLJ is my VERY LEAST favorite of them all, but we're not going to sit around here making snide remarks about those that made a movie we didn't like....

    Didn't like it? I get it...I'm with ya'...but I've stated my dislike for it and moved on, and I'm not blaming those that made a movie that I didn't like while millions of others did. I just didn't like it...just like you, now let's get past the less-than-admirable "Ruin" and KK references about people that are FAR more successful than you and I combined. :)
     
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    I can fully agree with you on that.

    I predict that Rian Johnson never makes anything Star Wars related again, let alone a trilogy.
     
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    Predicting a director won't do an announced Star Wars projects isn't very bold. So far of all the Star Wars films in the Disney era The Last Jedi is the only one the didn't need writer/director changes. It's also the only one written/directed by a single person.

    Given Lucasfilm's issues keeping talent around it might be a question of Lucasfilm needing Rian Johnson more than Rian Johnson needing Lucasfilm. He's doing quite well.
     
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    TLJ may have been the less problematic film during production but it was also the most divisive, something that won't have gone unnoticed by Bob Iger and although TLJ was financially a hit, Disney/Lucasfilm might just now see this trilogy as a risk not worth taking. Remember this trilogy was announced before TLJ was released and I'm sure Iger/Kennedy were expecting TLJ to be as well received by fans as TFA.

    I wouldn't be surprised either way if this trilogy goes ahead or not.
     
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    The division bell has already rung and the price was paid for it, so they might as well go on this way. Theoretically there is not much point for them caring about "the old hardcore guard" since that group won't be happy no matter what they do because the Luke wound doesn't need a doctor, it needs a priest; this approach will also alienate the new fans, so no one is happy. Going vanilla, TROS style is meh, and while it was needed to close this package, I don't see it's utility in the long run. So I think, something TLJ style makes sense.

    Also, I think a new trilogy will be made, not so much for the money the movies will make, rather the side quest milking. Disney+ means that well received new movie characters are a potential serial ->$$$, and if you add toys + comics + books ... It's like a multiplier, but to multiply you need something to begin with, so I think we will be getting movies.
     
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    Actually I'm not sure it was more divisive than Tros, we just learned to handle it better (or started to care less)
     
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    That's a possibility but I do think TROS was fairly well received, I just don't think it's expectations were particularly high after TLJ.
     
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    I don't want to get off topic here, but while these claims may be true in some circles on the internet, the internet isn't real life.
    TROS has the worst audience score ever recorded for a Star Wars film. Those same surveys that control for the general population TLJ was loved.

    That buzz certainly helped propel Knives Out to $300m. A number no one thought was possible. Had Rian Johnson made that film before TLJ there's no way it would have made much money. So much for backlash against Rian Johnson.

    What Rian Johnson is proving is that he's finding new fans and some of the older ones are unhappy. That unhappy group is a small minority. Star Wars needs to appeal new fans. This is especially true in international markets who aren't interested in nostalgia.
     
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    Small minority? 700 million less then TFA is a small minority? A 54% disfavor rating is a small minority?

    P.S. I didn't like TROS too so I'm not a JJ gusher.
     
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    I honestly believe that the success of TLJ is in large part to the huge success and cliffhanger of TFA, in turn I don't think fans were overly optimistic for TROS due to TLJ.

    While I agree there was a buzz for Knives Out, that was in large part due to the hype/division created by Star Wars fans rather than the quality of TLJ and although I enjoyed Knives Out I don't think it lived up to the hype, it was a good watch but nothing more.

    As I said in my previous post, I'm 50/50 on whether this trilogy will go ahead. If it does then I'll be at the cinema hoping for a great Star Wars film with hopefully completely new characters, if it doesn't I won't be surprised.
     
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    I'm not gonna rehash TLJ and take this off topic. Y'all can die on that hill somewhere else. Rian Johnson is a fantastic talent and we were lucky he made one Star Wars film. We'll be fortunate if he wants to make more. Either way I'm happ because he's making great films. Knives Out being a smash hit speaks for itself.
     
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    TFA was the first new SW in a decade.
    TLJ was the 3rd in 3 years.
    Middle films in a trilogy almost always fall short of the first and then a surge in the third. (the GA is more interested in the beginning and end than middle part).

    the 54% is from RT right? When there was a proven "review" bomb on that film like with Black Panther and Capt Marvel, it's useless to use that number.
     
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    TLJ was the point at which Star Wars went into decline. Google searches have declined significantly for each subsequent movie. Views of the trailers have dropped off substantially for each following movie. Box office revenues are down nearly 50% from TFA to TROS. Merchandise sales have been down year after year. All signs point to a franchise in decline and it all started with TLJ.

    The board of directors at Disney are shrewd, they will see the trends and know where the blame for the loss in revenues lies. Claiming that only a small group of fans were upset at TLJ is ludicrous, unless you consider half your fan base a small group. Rian Johnson will never make another Star Wars movie, he has lost Disney billions in potential revenue.
     
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    This isn't true. Google trend data showed more interest in Star Wars before TROS than before TLJ. If you're genuinely interested in this topic there's a few threads in the TROS section. There's some really good people who presented researched the data.

    Can we steer this back on topic now?
     
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    I agree, get back on topic.
     
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    Steady as she goes, back on topic.

    Also, the back-and-forth of all the old arguments, which has been repeated endlessly for years, is getting really old. It would be cool if we could not go down the old circle of arguments for the gazillionth time, please :) Things that were true before are still true, while things that were untrue remains untrue. Repeating either of these stands is pretty useless at this point, yes? :D
     
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    Google searches? Really why would people search for information about Star Wars films post TFA. I can see why leading up to TFA, but once it was established that new Star Wars films were coming and post release why would people go to Google for Star Wars information? Especially as Twitter and Facebook got so much bigger and more prevalent to get that sort of information.
     
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    How did you come to the determination of "half"? All that can be objectively said is that there is a vociferous proportion of the fan-base that did not engage positively with the material.

    Regarding any state of decline, that is a matter of individual perception as what could be considered progress by one person could be considered regressive by another and what could be considered regressive by some could be considered a welcome return to an existing status quo by another. Any argument with its basis in such emotion is erroneous at best.

    Regarding muh toys revenue, Hasbro has extended their contract with Lucasfilm. Would they extend their contract if their sales revenues were falling that badly?

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    Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/21/hasbro-extends-disney-pact-for-star-wars-marvel-toys-and-games.html

    I remember my brother informing me that it is better to get as close to the primary source of information as possible as second or third parties are less likely to be as accurate. I would suggest the following sources:
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    • Any financial reports
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    TFA Box office = 2 Billion
    TROS Box office = 1 Billion

    Half.

    Any comapny that sees revenues decline by 50% over 4 years should be worried.
     
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    Fun. Bad math. Let's play this game.

    TFA - 2.07 billion (45.4% domestic)
    RO - 1.05 billion (50% domestic)
    TLJ - 1.33 billom (46.5% domestic)
    Solo - 392 million (54% domestic)
    TROS - 1.07 billon (48% domestic)

    It seems as if there are just two statistical anomalies on here in TFA and Solo.

    Otherwise they track pretty well. Maybe, just maybe, that's a more realistic cap on Star Wars movies released yearly.
    1 billion is the expectation, not 2.

    TFA was an event. The return to Star Wars. Add in Star Wars plays better in the US than globally compared to the other billion dollar franchises, it was always a long shot. Endgame had only 31% domestic. Infinity War had 33% domestic. Age of Ultron 33%. Avengers 41%.

    The first two Transformers movies hit the same % of domestic shares as SW does. 45 and 48 respectively. Neither hit a billion. The next two plummet to 31 and 22 percent domestic and cross a billion. This is despite the third film having roughly the same domestic gross as the first two. 4 there is an obvious sharp drop off in domestic money. Then in the final installment, it plummets across the board in terms of gross but the percent domestic stays in range of 4 at 21.5%. This also tracks for POTC. Initial higher domestic then drops even as the movies make more money.

    What does this tell us? Star Wars doesn't play overseas. There's just a lot missing there in the box office gross. TFA came out and it was a phenomena. It became an event to see it.

    If SW wanted to make 2 billion every film, they'd have to drastically change to draw in more overseas money. Super Heroes and kaiju types play in China, where a lot of the missing money comes from. That's not really SW's wheel house. There is a whole lot of politics that go into it as well.

    Now I know this will actually mean nothing to you and you won't care and you'll just scream 50% as if those numbers actually mean anything (they don't), but there you have an explanation for the drop that doesn't actually matter. You will continue to tout this anomaly as if it were the key for SW films when the actual key for SW films is pretty obviously 1B not 2B.
     
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