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Rian Johnson saved the Jedi from George Lucas

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jaxxon, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. eeprom

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    Nothing’s impossible, but it wouldn’t be very consistent with their established themes.

    Lightsiders (e.g. Jedi) are more associated with spirituality and looking beyond the here and now. They strive to achieve immortality through embracing death and transitioning to another state of being. Darksiders (e.g. Sith) are presented as the opposite. They’re associated with physicality and focus strictly on what exists now. They strive to achieve immortality by instead rejecting death.

    Becoming a Force ghost is an act of abandoning all ego, all attachment, surrendering and transcending beyond the mortal world. That’s a concept that’s antithetical to basic darkside philosophy. It’s all about ‘self’. So, not very likely, IMO.
     
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    Ever since Luke discovered that Obi-Wan had lied to him about Anakin/Vader in "The Empire Strikes Back", I began to realize that the Jedi were not the ideal individuals that the former had described.

    Sometimes I wonder if this desire that the Jedi Order be portrayed as Obi-Wan had described it in "A New Hope" seems a bit ridiculous and immature. Why are so many people afraid of the idea that the Jedi were actually flawed and made mistakes?

    And honestly . . . how did Rian Johnson "saved the Jedi" from Lucas, when he portrayed the Jedi (namely Luke) as equally flawed?


    It seems ironic to me that the Jedi were just as guilty in their inability to let go of their roles as the Republic's peacekeepers and their inability to see that their blindness and later actions helped destroy the very organization that they had become attached to.
     
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    This is a really great post! I question some of the places Rian Johnson took the story in TLJ, but you are so right about the Jedi and their failures and this is in part how Luke got disillusioned with them.
     
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    I agree, Luke became more human and relatable in the last movies
     
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    I agree, Luke became more human and relatable in the last movies

    More like his TESB self, although he still had some humanity in ROTJ, even. Some of the novels in the EU nearly stripped him of autonomy.

    I wish fans didn't romanticize the fact that Luke's lightsaber was green, meaning that he was cool, since it was a different color (Luke was always sort of cool in ANH and TESB), and that supposedly he was mature in Return. A lot of Luke's mature moments in Return aren't really mature, imo.
     
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    I'm really interested in this. Which moments do you mean?
     
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