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rian johnson will get worse....not better without the baggage of the original characters

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by zazeron, Jan 26, 2018.

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  1. zazeron

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    Writing for Luke and Leia is a stressful job for any screenwriter, the issue is that it showws in episode 8....not only are some of these scenes among the best moments of these 2 characters, but shows that johnson works best when he is walking on eggshells.


    The issue is this....most of what people hate are things that rian johnson simply has no way of fixing without a cowriter....which was everything else.


    Canto-bight, rose tico and holdo are worrisome because they were absolutely either meh(holdo) or dreadful(rose tico)....these elements are the root cause of all the backlash this film received and it was a storyline with the least amount of iconic characters involved. Think about rose tico....


    and come to the realization that this is the best he can literally do, she was not a pre-existing character, and he made her the jar jar of the ST.

    this trilogy is ruined
     
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    The "baggage" of the original characters?

    Your opinion has been duly noted.
     
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    Holdo and rose the root of the backlash? The backlash that is your post? That's the only backlash I've heard on those 2.
     
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    Holdo is my new best character. So I disagree.
     
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    Oh.

    And here I thought the "One person's Opinion of TLJ" thread was over in the Star Wars The Last Jedi Section of The Sequel Trilogy Section.
     
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    Rian Johnson's Trilogy will rock.
     
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    Hey OP, have you seen any Rian Johnson films other than The Last Jedi?
     
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    As long as it doesn't rock bigger than Luke's rock on Dagobah I think he'll be okay

    ;)
     
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    Rose Tico is my favorite new character. Yet you declare her dreadful as if it's a fact and not your own opinion.

    Well, your opinion is in the minority. TLJ was the highest grossing movie of the year so the backlash you're trying so desperately to believe in isn't happening. The majority of moviegoers (55%) rated the movie 8/10 or higher.

    You can have your opinion, but quit trying to pretend it's a fact.
     
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    Rose was terrible, I will give you that. I really like all the new stuff he added like Porgs and......Porgs.
     
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    Well now that Zazeron, the great and all knowing, has told us this trilogy will be crap, we can all just go home and not bother with viewing it. Heck, someone call KK! Maybe Zazeron can use his amazing gift of insight and give her the script for a much better trilogy.
     
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    while i think theyre pretty terrible characters, i dont think they were the worst aspect. i do think, however, that Rian will get better (not worse) without the 'baggage' of the OG characters. i mean, how can you put out worse than the Luke Skywalker or Super Leia we got in TLJ? heh, couldnt help myself. thats not the only reason i think he'll do better, i also think that without the holier-than-thou aspect of the Skywalker Trilogy, he will put out some fresh ideas. i actually quite liked Rian til TLJ and i do think he can be creative in a positive sense if given a second chance and with a clean slate.
     
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    The only thing i disliked in TLJ was Super Leia/ Leia Poppins. Apart from that, I enjoyed the rest of it. Haven't decided yet on where i rank it among all SW films.

    Also don't understand the intense hatred for Rose and Holdo. I admit that they aren't great, but they are leagues better than previous SW characters such as Jar Jar Binks.

    I believe that Rian will make a decent trilogy, if it is as well made as TLJ.
     
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    Despite how anyone felt about TLJ positive or negative, Rian was up against impossible odds. You are never going to please all Star Wars fans. Especially when it comes to characters like Luke and Leia.

    I feel like no matter what, Rian's trilogy will be more widely accepted by fans as it has nothing to be compared to or so easily disappointing or disagreed with. He is a really good filmmaker and told a cohesive story. I'm not worried about continuing to let he tell stories in the Star Wars universe.
     
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    No one hates Star Wars like a Star Wars fan.

    Here's a thought: maybe wait until the first film drops before formulating an opinion on said film.
     
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    Rian Johnson after the premiere of his next Star Wars movie

     
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    Score corrected - there are TWO things I really hate about TLJ.
     
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    Last Jedi haters destroyed:

     
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    This post only confirms my presumption that the "Rian Johnson haters" haven't actually even seen a Rian Johnson movie besides TLJ.
    IHE has always been one of the few remaining rational voices on the internet when it comes to movies.
     
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    The way he argues about how the haters are focusing on the negative and failing to acknowledge the good things has always been my position about the PT backlash. Funny how the script has been flipped now.

    At this point, I'm not sure if I'd put TLJ behind AOTC or TPM, but it is WAAAAYYYYY behind ROTS.
     
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