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rian johnson will get worse....not better without the baggage of the original characters

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by zazeron, Jan 26, 2018.

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  1. Lord Phanatic

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    IMO, the thread title is backwards.

    RIAN JOHNSON'S TRILOGY WILL GET BETTER.....NOT WORSE WITHOUT THE BAGGAGE OF THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS




     
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    It still pretty early so I'm not even sure if this RJ trilogy will even happen, but I'm looking forward to it more than IX. The Skywalker Saga is kind of a piece work series that has some issues. The best test for Lucasfilm is creating something outside of those films that's going to be sustainable. Rian Johnson has proven that's able to create new and memorable characters. He did that in Brick, Looper, and in Brothers Bloom.

    Starting from scratch should be easier. It'll start out as a smaller story. The Skywalker Saga is loaded with characters. Balancing the old with the new is no easy task. A new series concentrating on new characters will be a breath of fresh air. What's the story though? If Lucasfilm/RJ are being honest and they just gave him his own trilogy without a story then we're a long way from seeing this ever happening.
     
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    Well he screwed himself over because he now has to make a better story and characters then we’re already beloved by everyone. So I give him maybe a 10% chance. He is not so good with original characters or story’s. The majority of his success comes from remakes. But he has already screwed up this one and now will have to screw up characters from comics and books. This is why I’m probably not going to see 9
     
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    Not sure what you mean be "remakes"? Johnson's original films are fantastic, from what I hear, and from what I can personally attest having seen Looper. I also don't know why we're assuming Johnson would have to use characters from books or comics, or why it has to be *better* than the OT to be a success.
     
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    What "remakes" did he make? And what does he have to do with Episode IX? And by the way, "Brick" and "Looper" are great original movies.
     
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    Rian has not had a remake under his belt. So the comment is likely troll bait.
    Looper is the best time travel film of this decade IMO (not that there are a ton of options for good ones let alone great)
    Brick is outstanding.
    Brothers Bloom isn't as good but still entertaining.
    His three episodes of BB are 3 of the best.
    And Terriers was a great show that never should have been canceled so soon.
     
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    I think everyone after last Jedi is concerned with the writing. So Brothers Bloom was not well written and he did not write those BB episodes so this list is not exactly inspiring.
     
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    Most of the issues with his writing in TLJ come from the way how he uses pre-established characters to tell a story he wants. So, I expect his writing to drastically "improve" once he gets to write something, that's 100% his.
     
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    "everyone" is a bad term to use for this sort of discussion.

    Brothers Bloom was fine. It wasn't badly written and it wasn't Shape of Water either.

    So the list isn't inspiring because he didn't write a few episodes of a show and BB is only fine.
    Ignoring the Looper and Brick aspect eh? Smart. Those really don't work in your favor.
     
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    There are many people for which Blothers Bloom is Rian's favourite film. When I first watched two years ago I enjoyed it quite a lot. It's just not everyone's cup of tea, like another comedy from 2008 (Burn After Reading) (which is my favourite Coens' film - there, I said it) or Rian's most recent oeuvre - Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
     
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    In all seriousness though, this is basically every Coen comedy.
    It comes out, everyone is perplexed. It does...okay or badly...at the box office.
    Crushes it on home video and rentals. Cult classic achieved.
     
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    Nostalgia, my dear friend - it was their first I've ever seen. :)
     
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    My bad not trying to troll anyone just got mixed up. I always confuse Michael Bay with Rian. The only other Film of Rians I have Seen was Looper and I can’t say I was all that impressed. The characters were ok most of my problem was with the science, and we see that same problem in the last Jedi.

    As for why books and comics, because of the easy transition it would have made from the OT to now. Honestly any fan could have mad better movies then the blast we are stuck with now.
     
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    Claiming you confuse Michael Bay with Rian Johnson isn't trolling? They couldn't be more different film makers. They are both auteurs and that's where the similarities end. And even then, Bay hasn't directed a "remake" either. His films are either original works or Transformer movies.

    The science of The Last Jedi? What science? Science has always been a distant mistress in Star Wars, so being mad about science in TLJ is like being mad about penguins in Arizona.
     
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    There will be no Ryan Johnson trilogy, it is too much for him. Despite the backlash of half of the fans, he can't create correct marketing or interest for his own characters.

    Who's gonna buy a Rose Tico toy ? A flathier ? A purple hair puppet ?

    Noone will do. I'm quite sure. I'd rather have a Constable Zuvio's toy who didn't make the cut to ep VII than a DJ toy.

    If someone has the sales of the EP VIII toys, I would be interested to see them after the release of the movie. How many Canto Bights sets were sold and how many Phasma toys were sold ? And compare these to TFA.

    Disney isn't stupid, they won't give the golden egg goose to someone who already bringed havoc into the fanbase.

    It's one thing to destroy what people already wrote in history, it's another one to create of his own.

    Edit : https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/star-wars-last-jedi-toy-sales-tank
     
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    The toy argument again? Really?

    Look, maybe RJ was tone deaf to what fans wanted, but anyone who still advocates toys as a brilliant marketing strategy is even more so.

    No toys sell like they used to, not even close. I'd love to see that changed, particularly if it's Star Wars that does it, but I don't think that's realistic right now.
     
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    TFA's toys were good sell, Battlefront II was a good sell.

    That's it. You don't give a trilogy to someone when someone else could do much better. The timing of the hiring of the GOT guys was telling it all.

    They knew it went wrong, they just have no reason to admit it publicly.
     
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    So, the first movie in over a decade and a video game that wasn't tied to any specific movie...
     
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    It just shows that Star Wars has a huge marketing value. And this didn't reflect in the post movie sales of the last jedi products.

    Every Rogue One character has more charisma than Rose Tico or DJ or whoever shows up for the first time in TLJ. It's not that easy to create interesting characters of your own and obvioulsy RJ failed big time to introduce at least one.
     
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    I would agree that Star Wars has marketing value that is currently not reaching its full potential.

    I've had plenty of discussions here about it.

    Toys aren't selling, and likely won't for at least the forseeable future.

    Tabletop games have been relatively profitable, especially hobby games like the FFG line.

    Video games are doing alright, but so far have been relatively underwhelming. By far the most untapped market they can have.

    Even so, it's unlikely we'd have video games based off the movies, because movie tie in games are generally extremely low quality (and are thankfully rare these days).


    I realize that historically, Star Wars has been known to be extremely marketable, but I think that may be becoming an outdated method of looking at it, at least in the traditional sense of "did the toys sell?". That's just simply not the world we live in anymore, much as I wish it was.
     
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