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Rian Johnson's Comedy in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Fernus, Jun 6, 2018.

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Did you like comedy in TLJ?

  1. Yes, I loved it! The film is so much better with it

    11 vote(s)
    9.9%
  2. Yes, it was fine for most of the time

    23 vote(s)
    20.7%
  3. The comedy was alright. Some jokes didn't land, but nothing unforgivable

    16 vote(s)
    14.4%
  4. I didn't like most of the jokes. Some were fine

    16 vote(s)
    14.4%
  5. The jokes were bad. They interfered with the general mood of the movie

    22 vote(s)
    19.8%
  6. The jokes were atrocious. Nothing good about the comedy here at all

    23 vote(s)
    20.7%
  1. Bandini

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    Why remove yourself when the darkness is coming and you're the only one who can do something because of your power ? You know, great power, great responsabilities ...

    What would you say to a kid after ep VIII asking : Why did they tell the story of that guy ? He bringed nothing to the galaxy, he left it in the same situation it was when he came in the story ? It just made the whole OT pointless.

    There is no before and after Luke Skywalker, the history will remember as the quitter who let the first order rise, who tried to kill the son of his twin sister and his best friend and then left to play with porgs while planets and people were destroyed by what he fighted against all his life. Leia and Han bringed the new Hitler to the galaxy and Luke made him rise. Bunch of galactic losers ...

    There is nothing to tell about these three, ep IV to VI are a waste of time. If the emperor is called Palpatine or Emo Ben Solo what does that change ?

    Ep IV : A deceiptful hope.

    Move on, there's nothing to see or to tell a story about.
     
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    Coming from you? Thats rich. You clearly haven't "moved on." You're still hating this thing 7 months out.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yep.

    Just ... Just, Put It Down an' ...
    Walk Away.

    Just Do That.

    Put It Down ... and Walk Away From It.

    STOP !

    It Ain't Yours , It Ain't Never Been !
    You Din't Tell It !
    Not Yer Story ...
    You Do NOT Own It !
    Though, ... through a Good Many Different Words, ya make It Read Like You DO

    (the "you" is Plural" ... by the way, to the "Loud Few - Ya Know who ya Are by Now)

    Here ...

    Get This ...

    LucasFilm IS Solid.
    Right !?
    Yer' Fluid .

    I see.

    oh, ... but do ya ??

    Put It Down.
    You Understand ?

    Show It.

    Can Ya? No. 'Rilly.
    Can Ya ????
     
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    I'll never understand the point of spending this much time and energy on something they hate
     
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    It's part of the fandom that people have spent their time and energy into for over 30 years. What's hard to understand? Why would hating a part of the fandom not be understandable for years and years, but loving part of the fandom be understandable for years and years?
     
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    You really don't understand the difference? Why waste time on something you hate? Movies are supposed to bring joy and entertainment, not the other way around.
     
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    I didn't like the prequels. I didn't waste 7 months of my life after haranguing George Lucas, Ahmed Best, Jake Lloyd or Hayden Christensen with racial epithets and constant abuse.

    There's a difference between being a fan and just not liking a part of it (check @eeprom for a good dude who don't like TLJ but don't act like a taint about it) and being obsessed and delusional about the impact it has on one's life.

    If a movie has this much NEGATIVE impact on your life, you have bigger issues to address than a movie.
    Talk to a therapist or unplug from the digital world and realize that it's just a damn movie.

    If you don't like TLJ, watch what you like and ignore this. It's not difficult.

    Do you understand the difference between what is going on with TLJ and how it's more than just "not liking a movie"?
     
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    Because it's part of their hobby still. It's part of the thing they love, and dedicate a lot of time to. There is no actual difference between what I stated, because it's still people dedicated to a thing, talking about it. They will either talk about it endlessly because they love it, or talk about it endlessly because they hated it (the specific part). Unless you are asking why don't they just leave Star Wars forever, then I have to ask, do you really not understand at all why that would be a silly question for people who've had this as part of them their entire lives?

    Honestly, I don't think this is something to be confused about. Passion breeds dedication, and dedication means people won't let something go, regardless.

    It just sounds like you don't want the negativity because it harshes your mellow. But any healthy fandom has a certain level of criticism, not just fanboyish and sycophantic worship. So talking about something you hate is entirely reasonable within the confines of the hobby you overall enjoy.

    At no point am I talking about the type of person who harasses or mistreats others. I also will not entertain a comment talking about them, because those types of people are not worth talking to. If you want to convince yourself this is some new phenomena, the first emergence of the "Peedunky" class of human, go for it. But I'll recognize them for what they are, wholly unoriginal and not worth a person's time or energy. I am responding to people who don't seem to understand how people within a hobby can talk negatively about it for an extended period of time, as if its a mystery they couldn't seem to grasp. If you can talk positively about a part of your hobby, you can talk negatively about it.

    I think some people are intentionally playing ignorant in order to paint people who are critics as pseudo-sociopathic, and deranged in order to dismiss them. It's a way to insult and hand-wave people away. I'm not the type of person to hand-wave a fan of something. If they want to talk about the good or the bad in something because they have a passion for it, I say it should always be acceptable.
     
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    I played Call of Duty games for a little bit, but I got sick of 'em. However, I don't go to their forums who do enjoy it and constantly say its garbage.
     
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    Yet we were.
    At no point did I say this is a new phenomena. It happened in the PT era and it was stupid then and it is stupid now.
    If you don't like something why waste any time on it? That's stupid. It's just stupid.
     
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    I don't know how to respond to that. Comparing call of Duty games to Star Wars. Then even further, comparing getting "sick of 'em" to not liking part of it, and wanting the direction to change.

    This is not a good response to what I wrote. Not at all addressing anything I explained.

    Because they don't want more of what they don't enjoy to be made. They want the direction to change. It's like a person criticizing the newest episode of Dr. Who. Why would your response be, "why are you complaining? If you don't like it, then leave." No, they are fans and they enjoy the IP. They want more of the thing they enjoy, and less of what they just witnessed that they do not enjoy. Can you please explain to me a bit why you don't seem to understand a very basic level people interact with their fandoms, from Star Wars to Steven Universe and beyond. I'd appreciate it, because it doesn't seem to be that revelatory of a thing I'm explaining. People want what they enjoy to stay enjoyable to them, and since it's still the universe they enjoy, they will talk about what's happening.

    This is not some one-off movie, like watching Rampage from Dwayne Johnson. Didn't like that? Fine, then go watch something else. No, this is a fandom and there are certain ways fans are...fans. One of them is they are fans typically through the best and the worst, since they enjoy the overall world. Another way they are fans, is it takes up a significant part of their time. Their gossip, their conversation with others, and their daydreaming/contemplation. People will spend time and energy on it.

    Surely you understand what a fandom is. You are on a forum dedicated entirely to it, after all.
     
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    I don't think anybody is disputing that. Just that it's perhaps not a positive way to be.
     
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    No, it's not like criticizing a new episode of Doctor Who.
    Unless you are criticizing that episode for SEVEN MONTHS.

    You seem really stuck on this "it's normal to harass and berate people because we didn't like a movie" thing. It's not normal. It's unhealthy. It was unhealthy when people did it about the PT. It's unhealthy now.

    It's just a movie. You didn't like it. Find something else to occupy your time with. If you spend 7 months upset over a movie to the degree some people have, then you need help. Sorry but that's the truth. Because it's a Maclunkey movie. It's not real.
    If the fake events of a fake movie have you this upset this far out of the movie...I just don't honestly know what to say.

    Focus on the things you like about Star Wars. It's not difficult. Watch the movies you like or read the books you like. But this weird dragging obsession people have now is just dumb. Or at least find constructive ways to discuss it not the destructive ways we've seen so far.
     
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    I'm not comparing Call of Duty to Star Wars... the point is I don't go to franchise or part of a franchise that I hate and waste my time there.
     
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    The only humor that worked for me where it was intended to be funny was when Hux gave the same order as Kylo Ren and then Ren looks at him like “dude?”

    I suppose Snoke whipping the saber at hitting Rey’s head was kinda funny.

    But to be honest, the rest of the humor felt forced. It’s just a personal thing, but Poe making a prank call to Hux about his mom, that felt too juvenile and a forced attempt to poke the audience like “hey! see this is funny?!” Or the way Captain Canady is portrayed. It all just seemed felt like I was watching a parody of a movie.

    Everything else came off as a “heh” and not very organic. You have a scene that is supposed to be mysterious and minus like Rey entering the Jedi Tree and then Luke asks a dramatic question “where you from?” and then he gives a one liner. Too many attempts to be funny rather than just telling the story.

    In TFA, the jokes landed a lot more. There might have been too many humorous attempts but they usually were executed very well because they seemed more relatable like Rey telling Finn “the one I’m pointing to” repeatedly or Finn telling Phasma he’s in charge or Kylo Ren’s temper tantrums. They felt in tune with the characters whereas TLJ’s humor felt like “hey I want to make you laugh” even if the scene is supposed to be serious.

    On another note, I unintentionally laughed when Rose tells Finn that love will save them when a giant laser is about to obliterate their rebel friends behind them as they kiss.
     
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    I told you already to stop that. I also already said I am not talking about those types of people. YOU are the one really stuck on those people. I am talking about something different. So if you continue to rudely misinterpret what I say in some way as to be defending harassers, then I will have to block you. It's very rude.

    Personally, I think it's hard for most people to keep absolute positivity at all times about something when new content is coming out. An old game or movie, sure. Nostalgia can let you enjoy it forever. But to always be positive, and always be happy and always be excited, it often takes a laxer or unrestricted sense of quality and standard. People have talked about the OT for 10 years, then the PT for 10 years, what's 7 months for TLJ? I don't see what's happening as to be out of the ordinary, or necessarily unhealthy. People can also enjoy and be positive, by talking about things they see as a negative. It doesn't necessitate being negative, because a person is talking negatively about something. They could still, and I would argue most are, still be having fun within their fandom.
     
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    What member of this forum has done any of those things?

    Oh wait, I get it.... you're doing the lame maneuver of responding to people who dislike E8, then bringing up the extreme minority of racist morons in order to subtly associate the former group with the latter.
    It is a movie which a great many people in this forum - including you - have strong feelings about. Your feelings are no more pure or legit than anyone else's.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 2, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 2, 2018 ---
    That part was probably the best laugh the movie had.
     
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    and I told you, me and Andrew were talking about it when YOU interjected.
    And you've used this excuse before.
    The behavior being discussed is NOT part of fandom. It's obsession. It's entitlement.
     
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    As somebody who generally likes TLJ, the humor is my one consistent problem.

    Yes, the Original Trilogy was funny. But the humor arose from the situation, or from characters simply being witty in the situation.

    There's a big difference between Ben Kenobi's witty "Who's the greater fool?" comeback and Poe Dameron saying "General Hugs?" The first example flows naturally out of the situation and isn't a "joke," per se, it's just witty. The second one is literal a joke. Furthermore, it doesn't flow from the situation, it breaks from the situation to actually influence the plot. Honestly, it's a lot like the dance-off at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy. It's the main character saying, "I'm going to tell a joke, and it's going to distract the bad guy so I can win."

    This--jokes influencing the plot--is something that doesn't feel like Star Wars. In Star Wars, characters are witty, situations are funny, but it's all done in earnest. The villains are serious, and they respond to situations in realistic ways, even if the world around them is fantastic. But in the first scene of TLJ, we're asked to treat this world as something other than entirely earnest. Instead, it's a world where the hero can distract the bad guy with puns.

    Before even TFA came out, in the book How Star Wars Conquered The Universe, Chris Taylor points out that Star Wars, even when silly things are happening, MUST be presented earnestly. Otherwise it doesn't feel like Star Wars. And to me, this comes to fruition in TLJ. The humor doesn't flow out of the earnest presentation of the movie. Instead, it pokes fun at the Star Wars universe in a way that shakes the whole structure.

    I like the funny stuff with the caretakers. I even like the "wipe that nervous expression off your face." Because here, again, the humor flows from the earnest situation. It's not making the world of the film feel silly.
     
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