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Rian Johnson's Trilogy

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by TheBBP, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. Angelman

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    TFA opening crawl begins with: "Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed." Luke has obviously been gone for much longer than a few months if the First Order has risen from the ashes of the Empire in the meantime.
     
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    So here's the thing.
    Luke helping at all without some sort of journey would defeat the purpose of him not just being there in TFA.

    You can't be grumpy and disillusioned and still be active in the fight. That's just a bad bit of story telling and kicking the can the further down the line because you aren't emotionally ready for it.

    It was nothing like the 4th wall being broken. It isn't that jarring. It's literally what we have seen every Jedi Master do when they fail and don't die in the process. How is that jarring?
     
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    I have to respectfully disagree. Who have we seen fail and live and then disavow the Jedi and refuse to help when asked? Obi Wan? Nope. Got right back into the fight. Yoda? Luke never asked him to go with him and he had some initial reluctance to train Luke but caved in less than a minute. He never gave up on the Jedi as a whole. Who are you referring to? If it's someone outside the movies I'm a little behind on that. I'm trying to catch up though.

    It actually was that jarring for me. First Order has two super powerful force users and control of the galaxy. New Republic is in ashes and the resistance is next to nothing. They have Leia but she gave up the Jedi way a long time ago. The First Order with Snoke and Ren are impossible to stop without a force user on the Resistance's side. Luke says, "Go away. I won't help you. I won't help my sister. I won't help my nephew. I won't help anyone". For me, he might as well have put on a top hat and sung "Hello My Baby" while riding Pee Wee Herman's bicycle. It was so out of character. For me at least.
     
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    You're moving the goal posts now.
    Luke ran and hid like his masters before him. It's the go-to failed Jedi move. This isn't jarring or shocking.
    Luke came to a different conclusion than Obi-Wan or Yoda. They wanted someone to carry on their Jedi ways. Luke saw this as the problem. Jedi created Darth Vader and allowed the Empire to rise. Luke's Jedi created Kylo Ren and allowed the First Order to rise. His answer was to stop having Jedi. They keep creating the bigger problems here.

    Don't forget, they were literally trying to use Luke to kill his father without telling him that's what he was doing because they failed with Anakin. Is that actually that much better than what Luke chose to do if it is at all?

    But what about it is "out of character" other than it isn't what you wanted? Luke has always been a temperamental, emotional wreck who often puts himself and loved ones in danger. Luke, for the first time, is at fault for other people dying. Before the events that made him a hermit, he was the golden goose. He got to clean up everyone else's mess and get all the glory. He became the legendary Luke Skywalker. But what happens when someone who has never lost before loses? What happens when the golden boy is actually at fault?
     
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    I honestly don't know what you mean by moving the goal posts. What do you mean?

    Obi Want and Yoda ran and hid because the all powerful Empire was hunting them down and would kill them. Luke was in no danger at all. His friends were in charge. He ran from his failure. When his failure blossomed into a monumental and insurmountable threat, he refused to return to the fight. This is the guy who chastised Han for leaving before the assault on the first Death Star:

    "Come on! Why don't you take a look around? You know what's about to happen, what they're up against. They could use a good pilot like you. You're turning your back on them."

    The guy that said that is the same guy that says no to a request by his own sister to return to fight against almost certain annihilation? From an enemy that he is partially responsible for creating? No way. That's not in keeping with Luke's established character.

    The guy that left his training with Yoda early to hopefully save his friends refuses to help?

    The guy that surrendered to Vader in the hope of saving him even though Obi Wan said he's too far gone refuses to help? Refuses to try and redeem his nephew? A nephew who has done terrible things but hasn't yet had a 20 year career of unspeakable atrocities like Vader did?

    TLJ Luke just seems like a different person.
     
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    It's a moot point because it had nothing to do with why he left, but the whole plot of the first movie in the ST is basically a race between the Resistance and the First Order to find Luke, and it's made abundantly clear why the First Order is looking for him.
     
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    As much as I hate to interrupt a Last Jedi argument--

    Can we say that--whatever you think of Johnson's work or his willingness to return to Star Wars--the silence about this project is deafening?

    If I'm not mistaken, we haven't heard anything official since that initial announcement *before Last Jedi even came out.* Since then, Lucasfilm has totally revamped its release strategy. And Johnson's project is nowhere in the giant Disney Shareholders info drop.

    I would love it if I turn out to be wrong about this, but . . . I think this trilogy should be assumed cancelled until we hear otherwise.
     
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    Thanks for getting us back on topic! You remind me of our project manager at work reminding us to keep talking about work and not about fantasy football or something else during our meetings! lol

    It certainly seems like RJ's trilogy is no longer a thing. It's just odd not to hear anything at all one way or the other.
     
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    it feels line Schrodinger’s film. Is it happening? Is it not? Neither side has anything more conclusive than the other. I still hold that having *not* heard of a cancellation, and that the announcement is still available is a reasonable enough indicator for me. Every other film that had trouble or was cancelled, we were told. And if it were true that they cancelled his film(s) because of the backlash...wouldn’t a good move in the eyes of those upset be to announce that it isn’t happening?

    As another instance, Feige’s. We only just got news that a writer was hired, which Feige said was leaked, not officially announced, when he was asked. His film was not mentioned in the investor day either. He has no idea when it’s happening with his focus on Marvel content. Yet everyone still assumed it was happening even before the news of the writer.

    I feel like we come back to this every few weeks, and it’s often the same points (understandably with no news).
     
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    I think it's safe to assume Johnson is in Lucasfilm's future plans until something is announced otherwise. Lucasfilm has had zero issues moving on from directors. Rian Johnson is really close with the Lucasfilm team and Kennedy.
     
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    So, this movie trilogy is probably dead after the TLJ backclash? If so, I am really dissapointed, because TLJ was great and I was looking forward to see what Johnson does when he has free reign and can introduce fresh settings and characters in familiar lore.

    Him basically don't give a crap about various fan-fictions over the internet was the greatest thing he could've done, I was blown off by Last Jedi in cinema, and my younger brother, who is huge Star Wars fan since being a small kid and now turned 18 told me: ''blast, my legs are shaking, this was unexpected and awesome!''.

    We have been on Rise Of The Skywalker again on premiere together, and his reaction at the end was ''Hmm, I don't know, it was good probably.''
    And I wanted to like the film a lot as I am not this super serious nitpicking fan, but there were things pissing me off like the lazy designs, shoehorned things without explanation, left to you to think it up, but there was nothing to go on. And even tho the movie itself is a fun ride and it can be enjoyable, it doesn't work to me as the end of the whole saga - just because you have old designs for allegedly new star destroyers and Tantive IV that came from nowhere same as Palpatine? Only thing I remember from TROS is Journey to Exegol, Lightspeed skipping and fleet shattering Sith lightning...

    Johnson is great movie maker, I have enjoyed his other movies as well and Knives Out was a blast. It will be shame to let him go, just because some people on youtube, who wouldn't put together a compelling original story themselves, post videos like ''Why TLJ doesn't work'', ''How to make TLJ movie better'', ''Why is TLJ such a failure''.
    I really liked what Sam Witwer told about movie making some time ago in interview with Star Wars Theory, who is one of the guys posting ''smart'' stuff like that as well, so I really loved how Witwer let it out in civil fashion and professional manner, with tidbits how working with David Filoni is and damn, the more I hear about David FIloni, the more awesome this guy gets.

    Many fans will disagree with me, but I think Jon Favreau, David Filoni and Rian Johnson, are creative juggernauts at LFL that can do Star Wars either justice or create interesting stuff.
     
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    Oh no between this and the other big Star Wars news a certain group of the fan base is having a really rough week
     
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    Ooooh! What did I miss? Can u fill me in R2?

    Only salt-inducing thing I've seen is the Mando VG got pushed back.

    I live on an asteroid and don't get out much.
     
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    Was just coming to share that. I’m excited.
     
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    I love Rian Johnson's film, but even I'm tired of hearing about this project. Until the production starts this is just another in development project that may or may not happen. I think it's safe to say Lucasfilm hasn't fired the guy and that much of the hand-wringing about his project from people who hated TLJ doesn't matter.
     
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    Whereas I'm fine to keep hearing about it simply because nothing has been confirmed yet, and I've spent so long wondering if it will or won't happen. Until we do get something official, then hey, I'll take whatever news I can get my hands on. :)
     
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    Of anything else currently in development this is hands down the project I am most interested in. And as much as I've griped about SW being pre-determined into trilogies, I'm really looking forward to this one.
     
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