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Rian Johnson's Trilogy

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by TheBBP, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. Whipswar

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    Yeah, he was announced to be working on his own trilogy (even before TLJ came out, I believe) in the coming years. It was confirmed a few days ago, in an interview, that it is still happening, but there is no time table for it since he is still working on his own projects outside of Star Wars.
     
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    Rian Johnson's trilogy was announced a few weeks prior to TLJ coming out (IIRC) and has been consistently reaffirmed as still going forward over half-a-dozen times since then. Despite toxic YouTube drama, there has never been any indication that Johnson's SW project is in any kind of trouble -- and that while LFL has anounced and then canceled several other projects, and sacked people for various reasons.

    There has been zero indication of any drama at LFL regarding Johnson, apart from hate-mongerer fakes selling clicks on YouTube, that is.

    What we do know, is that neither LFL nor Johnson is in any kind of rush to get this out, and Johnson's SW project will happen when he and they are ready for it. They'll be making SW movies for decades and decades to come (possibly centuries even), and Johnson's thing is lining up for sometime down the line.
     
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    I remember asking Pablo Hidalgo around 2017 how far into the future they had planned out and he said around 10 years. That was before slowing down the movie side and the explosion of Disney+. 10 years is a lot of content and RJ's project had to be a pretty specific piece of it. The future is always uncertain, but there does appear to be a bit of bloodlust in wanting the RJ project cancelled. Rian Johnson has a very good relationship with Lucasfilm so I just don't think they'll ever give people that satisfaction. They'll either eventually make his project or it will fade from memory down the road.
     
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    Which would be ironic considering "Cancel Culture".
     
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    Truthfully, this is the most important factor here. Most people don't truly follow the industry, and don't quite understand how it works or what the precedents are. The truth is, Hollywood doesn't often care about what some people say online. He made a financially successful and critically acclaimed movie, there has been absolutely nothing but praise coming from the cast, crew, and execs that have worked with him, and he has an impressive list of films that he has made prior (and post) TLJ. Odds are, they will work with him again.

    There are countless directors and writers who have been lambasted by the online media and fans of other genres, series, and franchises, and they often are allowed to continue to work with the studio on sequels/other projects because they make money and don't often care what online people say. Half the time, a movie can fail at the box office and the writer/director/whoever will STILL have a long career in Hollywood.

    Do people think LFL/Disney would deny JJ Abrams any project he wanted to work on because his last film, the end of the Skywalker Saga, only made $1billion (over 300 million less than the previous installment, almost a billion less than the first) and is not nearly as critically praised as TFA or TLJ? Disney would likely write him a blank check to do whatever he wanted to do next, honestly.

    This is likely the closest to reality at the moment. He'll either get too tied up in other projects that his SW one just fades away, or they will be making it. I highly doubt, in any way, that they are inclined to stop working with him.
     
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    I hope that when this movie does come out it focuses on a new era so either far on the future or the past
     
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    After the success of Knives Out, Lucasfilm would be stupid to cancel it. Ironically, TLJ was the smoothest production out of all the new films so far. Let's also keep in mind that even before Covid hit, Lucasfilm wanted to focus on tv.
     
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    bring daisey back, she is fantastic, but the drivel she had to spew in the sequels was abominable, not her fault
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    this was one of my favourite movies as a boy, thanks for reminding me of it, havent thought about it in 30 years.
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    after the last effort, shouldnt they be looking for just about anyone else to right the ship?
     
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    I also think that Daisy Ridley was awesome and would definitely like to see her return. While I would certainly take Rian Johnson over JJ Abrams any day, I think they should break from both of them. Between the two of them, they stirred up a lot of.....something....... and I wouldn't say it was for the better. I hope they stay away from those two going forward.

    However, I think much of RJ's criticism came from his treatment of Luke Skywalker. Given a trilogy without Luke or anyone else the audience is familiar with, maybe it would be good.
     
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    I cannot think of anyone outside of the bluc check brigade that liked how Luke was treated, To me if you are going to have an iconic character, you have to respect him or her, like ripley going from awesome bad ass to soccer mom , just not ok, if you cannot treat them with respect or keep character true to original then dont use him,
     
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    I was completely fine with Luke's portrayal in TLJ. ;P
     
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    I have no idea what the Blue Check brigade is ( & I probably don’t want to know ) but I had absolutely no problem with Luke portrayal in TLJ after all its been 30 odd years since ROTJ & I would find it incredibly odd if he hadn’t changed at all in that time.
    Mind you out of my group of friends I liked TLJ the most st the others preferred TROS & gues what we are all still friends as we certainly weren’t going to fall out over a difference of opinion on a film even if that was a Star Wars film.
     
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    Does this mean that Addi Ras and I are members of the Blue Check Brigade then? ;)
     
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    blue check are the folks cancelling pepe le pew, upse as bill burr for announcingthe latin music awards etc, the kid who would claim sandwiches are not inclusive so should not be served at school.
    People change, but as we learned from obi and yoda your body may break down but you are stronger in the force , in this movie luke force got weaker in addition to being made to looklike a sad bitter old man easily bested by a novice with zero training
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    no, not really, not seen anyone that likes how they treated luke, doesnt mean they do not exist
     
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    Well that’s certainly not me &I’m not sure how you think Luke was weaker in the Force considering what he did at the end of the movie & also when did he get beaten by a novice as the only time he was in actually combat was at the end & Ren certainly isn’t a Novice.
     
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    Personally, I loved Luke (and Hamill's portrayal) in TLJ, a real tour the force, and I cannot see how they could've taken that character more seriously. An absolutely fantastic arc for that character, and deeply rooted in the OT movies' portrayals, story beats, and unfulfilled (in the OT) predictions. For me, TLJ Luke was 100% spot on.
     
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    What actually happens in the movie is often times not of much importance in these debates.
     
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    This "us" vs "them" when it comes to every subject is so bizarre. Every controlled audience survey showed 80-90% of people who saw TLJ liked the film. That's just the reality. Sadly, the internet has become Earth 2 where the narrative is there's some 50/50 love/hate thing with TLJ. Certainly there are people who really don't like TLJ, but they're way over represented online.

    The internet isn't real life. It's not representative of the public.
     
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    What? Luke became one with the force. Luke was at peace at the end. Hence the theme "Peace and Purpose".
     
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    I think Luke was portrayed brilliantly in the movie. He's tragically heroic and pull himself out of it to be sacrificially heroic. The actions he took that caused him to end up where he was in TLJ are rooted in his fatal flaw in the OT. I think it's pretty easy to see how Luke views himself as a hero in TLJ as well. A failure doing one good deed at the end of the day. Now, we all know Luke is more than that, but we have to convince Luke he's more than that.

    In terms of the portrayal, I feel like this comes down to a few things that RJ really couldn't have avoided.

    1. The set-up. RJ didn't set up Luke's arc in TLJ. JJ Abrams did. JJ killed his students, put him on an island, and made him disappear from the world. RJ's mission was to make sure that Luke believes his actions were the right ones. JJ was the one who turned our hero into the shell he is now. RJ had to make sure we understood all the pieces.

    2. The time-skip. By the time TLJ rolled around, it had been forty years since the ROTJ had released, and thirty years in-world. Our actors had aged. Our characters had aged. There is simply no way we would have seen Luke in his prime simply because by the time we got to see him in action, he was far beyond it anyways. The only way we would have seen Luke in his prime is if GL had decided to make the ST 10-20 years ago instead of the PT.

    3. The E.U. People seem to think that movie Luke would is somehow the same as E.U. Luke. But in the Lucas Era, they really weren't. The books, comics, and films all had different levels of canon. And then you get people (understandably) conflating the two and then putting those unrealistic expectations back onto movie Luke.

    I'm not saying I don't understand why people were - and still are - upset about Luke. I totally get it. I just don't think it's a really fair to lay the blame solely at RJ's feet. But when do we fans ever take a step back and think about things...?
     
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