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Rian Johnson's Trilogy

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by TheBBP, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    This isn't really a JJ vs. RJ thread, but since you brought it up, Rian Johnson worked a lot better with Lucasfilm and the story group than JJ. JJ basically ignored that Poe came from the New Republic. He just made him a spice runner? It doesn't really matter, but that's not exactly affinity to source material.

    I feel most of the problem with Rian Johnson is he had the difficult task of dispatching Luke in this trilogy. For his trouble he made a film that audiences loved and that a tiny portion didn't like. Johnson has proved himself as a writer/director again and again. Frankly, I won't be surprised he does something else. If a vocal minority doesn't want anything new and just wants to be kept getting fed nostalgia pies that will work until the pie runs out.

    I'm just as happy with Rian Johnson making other great films if Star Wars wants to drive away creative talent then they'll be stuck Lion King type films going forward.
     
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    I personally think Rian would be better suited to a smaller, weirder, eclectic take on Star Wars that would wind up on Disney+.

    Give him a couple of cool characters and let him do the kind of thing he did so well in Looper and Knives Out, which is to subvert expectations, make fun of the genre/material in subtle, self-deprecating ways and then let the quirky, intelligent take breathe on its own terms.

    I like Episode 8, I have to skip parts of it to enjoy it, but I do enjoy it. If only because it has its own unique perspective, that has a distinct flavor to the other 8 films.

    That said, there's a reason I think Rian didn't work for a lot of fans. He's not really suited for big mega-brand corporate films. Let's hope I am wrong!

    As much as I loved KOTOR and even the MMO that spawned from it, I'm not sure the rather muddled canon of Darth Revan is such a great film topic, maybe as a series I can see a KOTOR series having some appeal, but as a monolithic multi-billion dollar film enterprise? I'm just not so sure.
     
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    I agree, Rian seems like he would do really well with a show on Disney Plus.
     
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    After ep IX, I even more highly doubt that there will be a trilogy from that guy.
     
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    He may do something for Disney plus
     
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    Why is that?
    Why would Rian Johnson make a Disney+ show when he just wrote and directed an original film that's already over $200M?
     
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    Gee, I don't know maybe because they might ask him to. Maybe his idea for a trilogy works better for Disney+. Because they trust him.
     
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    also: because he loves Star Wars. [shrug]
     
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    It would have to be because he loves Star Wars because it would be a bit of slap in the face to give him some films and then push it to Disney+. Given his rising star I doubt he'd do a TV series
     
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    I don't really see these things as contradictory or zero sum.
    I like that JJ added some more complexity to a character he obviously loves but had been described by some as a little one-dimensional.
    I'm at peace now with our directorial dyad. (Expectations were tempered.)
    We get to choose who represents the 'darkside' of the coin and at least we got two very different sides.
    For the archive, JJ would never have been among my choices to carry the heavy lifting for the SW saga but it's hard to argue against him for a safe/fun ride for the kids.
     
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    Funny you should say that because Rian has stated his movie "Knives Out" could've been a TV series. So I highly doubt he would be against a SW TV series. And rising star or not, many directors/writers have done TV series. So it wouldn't be out of the question or even out of the ordinary.

    You act like you have some stake in it or something. Or that doing something for Disney+ is like some spiral downgrade.
     
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    Scorcese made a movie for Netflix, there is nothing insulting in making movies for streaming services.
     
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    Everyone knows that I loved The Last Jedi and that I really, really want this to happen. But, realistically speaking, it seems that there are less and less chances for this to happen which is a shame. I don't know if it's Lucasfilm or Disney, but it seems they always learn the wrong lessons.

    However, after TROS, my respect for Rian Johnson only grew. He faced TLJ backlash alone, never trying to shift the 'blame' to another person(s) involved in the production, while people involved in TROS seem to enjoy trowing others under the bus instead of just saying: "Love it or hate it, I did that", like Rian did. Example: Terrio practically trowing ILM under the bus for lack of Rose in the movie. Have some dignity.

    I think given chance, Rian could really give us something special. I still hold a tiny hope.
     
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    Interesting. Why do you think that? The way I see it, nothing has changed between Disney & Johnson as far as we know, and Johnson's star just keeps rising. If he doesn't want to do another Star Wars that's one thing (and fair enough I guess), but why would Disney not want another Johnson Star Wars? I'm curious, what are you basing this assessment on? :)

    I count TLJ as the closest SW have ever gotten to a master piece of a film, and I for one would love a full Rian Johnson movie series in my Star Wars :D
     
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    Terrio is a bad fit for big blockbuster films. And the same defenses keep getting thrown around to cover for his messy films. "You just didn't get it!" "Too much was cut out, it'd make sense in an extended cut" etc etc. The same nonsense from BvS is being regurgitated now.
     
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    On paper and publicly nothing changed. It's just how recently Johnson answered the inquiries about whether he is still doing new SW films. From adamant 'yes' every time before he went to 'they are still trying to figure out what to do next, we'll see, etc." Maybe enthusiastic response to Knives Out (I still have to see it) by both critics and viewers showed him that he doesn't have to go through a grind again. Also, every time she was interviewed before, Kennedy always mentioned and supported him. Now, he isn't even in conversation. So...

    I hope I am wrong though. I do adore his film.
     
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    This is a little off topic but why didn't Lawrence Kasdan stay on for TROS? Anyone know?
     
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    He's done with Star Wars. He wanted to do his own thing (directing). He only did Solo to get his son involved in it.
     
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    You need to watch it whenever you get the chance! It's easily one of the best movies of 2019 (and easily my favorite RJ film of the three I've seen).
     
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    Yeah, I could get it if Johnson didn't want to do another Star Wars (but your assessment was based on the idea of dwindling chances and Disney/LFL "always learning the wrong lessons", right?). However, despite Jonhsons' successes, and the mountains of bantha poodoo he & some of his actors got from TLJ, he has never displayed anything but enthusiasm, grace, and love for Star Wars, even during exchanges with vitrolic fans. I haven't seen a single negative word from him on Star Wars or his desire to do more of it (although it is possible I have missed some stuff).

    Now, we know that LFL are planning out the future of Star Wars these days and nobody yet knows what it will look like. That includes Rian Johnson, who, while he will learn whether he's in or out a bit before we do, is as much in the dark at present as the rest of us. Kathleen Kennedy recently said something to the effect they'll make some announcements on future SW stuff in early 2020. We also know that per today, there are 3 SW movies slotted (with space for more to be made should LFL want to), that Kevin Feige has been brought in to develope (whatever that means) a Star Wars film, and that Benioff & Weiss have opted out of Star Wars in favor for Netflix, but not a single hint so far that Johnson is anything but loved by LFL & Disney... AND, we know that Star Wars will be going on forever.

    I think, barring Johnson having had enough (which he has given no indication of that I have seen), more SW from him is very probable at this point :)
     
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