RJ answered the only question that was being asked

What I meant by not paying attention is that there was an overarching story they wanted to tell. There were very apparent themes that got muddied by some of the JJ style story telling. But if you strip away it all, these two themes were pretty big.

Theme 1. People from humble beginnings can become a hero. Two no-names. Finn from Stormtrooper that worked Sanitation. Rey from Scavenger. It echos Luke from a farmer and Anakin from a slave.

Theme 2. Light vs Dark. Rey the nobody versus Kylo from the mighty Skywalker bloodline.

 

He's more than likely a Windu.

 

Ben knew stormtroopers don't go single file. Finn was a stormtrooper and so probably knew not to go single file. Their names end n. It is pretty blatantly signposted.

 

Ownlee Wan Kanomi

 

Here's my biggest problem with the idea that "the Luke question" is the only real question of TFA:

In TFA, Han tells us that Luke trained new Jedi, one of them went bad, Luke felt responsible and ran away, probably to find the first Jedi temple. We had no reason not to believe this, and I think we all took it as fact when making our theories.

In TLJ, what do we learn about Luke? He trained new Jedi, one of them went bad, he felt responsible and ran away, and found the first Jedi temple.

I don't see how the Luke question is actually even a question coming out of TFA.

 

Great post though it still seems that half the people replying missed the point of what you were trying to say.

Valiant effort, and it is appreciated.

 

I think that Rey's parentage may be the biggest mystery of TFA in that we actually have an in-universe character looking for it. Similarly, if they hadn't found the Star Map, Luke's location and fate would also have been a mystery.

But I think that we have to look at this from a more complex perspective: We have the characters and what they know, but the eye of the camera knows exactly what it's doing- and when JJ is in charge of that eye, expect mystery boxes.

Did any character wonder aloud who Snoke was? Nope. Did any character personally ask what happened to Luke's temple? No, I guess not.

But the movie, nevertheless, teased it. And that's not just interpretation- for instance, when we first see Snoke, it's unclear whether he is a hologram or some new giant creature. It's not until he fizzles a bit that we can be absolutely sure. That was deliberate, because JJ knows that we know nothing about Snoke, and wanted us to be asking questions.

So, maybe I agree that Rey's parentage is the biggest question "asked" in TFA (though I think it's still debatable if we got a full answer), but I totally do not think it was the only question "posed".

 

Agreed. One of the defining moments of this entire franchise is the most notorious paternity reveal in movie history. You don’t intentionally give your main character mysterious parents without it being a question. It would have been no trouble at all to disclose Rey’s mom and dad as Sam and Jane Fillername. JJ definitely knew what he was doing.

 

Agreed, neither will TFA, or this entire ST for that matter. Don't forget the pc liberals and millennials. Star Wars is a tired cliche now along with most "pop-culture" films of the last 10 years or so being used to brainwash and dumb-down the next generation of kids. It's sickening.

Agreed. Exactly

Absolutely agree.

Agreed. Exactly.

Agreed. Exactly. Disney/LF so dropped the ball, and it's sad. They have ruined a legacy.



I think the fact that some people feel the need/have to explain so much, and defend this movie so much, speaks volumes. No other SW movie(s) has needed such explaining. This ST was slapped together and very poorly done, and the proof is in the mixture. Anyone who denies this is kidding themselves and frankly it's embarrassing. It baffles me how this ST is liked by some fans.

 

There is more to it than what you stated. Ben/Kylo killed all of Luke's students and the remaining ones followed Kylo (which people speculate the Knights of Ren are). So yes, having your own nephew and few of his former students kill the remaining students and burn his academy down, is a good reason to go hide.

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What do liberals and Millennials have to do with anything? Why even say liberals, why not conservatives, etc? Quit labeling Millennials for our society problems. Kids that are in high school now or freshmen in college are not Millennials. Stop grouping my generation with those people. I work my butt off and didn't have "safe zones" at my university that I went to. Millennials who grew up in the 80s (me) are not the same as the ones who grew up in the early 2000s. It's pretty much the same as me blaming all of the Gen X'ers who made it harder to get a job and a house and who makes less than what our parents made for the same equivalent jobs. Leave politics and crap out of this forum which makes you loose any credibility in my eyes.

 

If you were born before 1980, I'm probably not talking about you.

 

TLJ provided more detail, but @Jaxxon is right. TFA already answered the question. Johnson’s job was to explain it.

 

I was born in the late 80s so people around that time are not the same people who you are labeling in the early 2000s. All kids who was born in the 80s and earlier grew up with the OT on VHS and laser disc. That was our first SW expereince. Episode 1 was my first SW experience in a theater. So with your logic, it's fair for me to blame everyone who was born before 1979 for our housing and economic issues and lower wage compare to what our parents made for the same exact job. I'm just sick of getting group as "lazy", "weak", etc when the truth is, 95% of it isn't true. I still don't see what liberals has to do with anything? How does someones political philosophy affect how they enjoy SW? It makes you look ignorant and someone who can't be taken seriously. Not like we are in and political forum unless you want to talk about Trade disputes between Naboo and the Trade Federation.

 

I apologize, that was ageist of me lol. And yes, you can blame my generation for some issues/problems, I'd agree. I'd disagree with your 95% figure btw, it's probably closer to 50%. I'd agree there's a difference between early and late millennials, but not much. Anyway, the comment was meant more tongue-in-cheek than serious.

 

Fair point! It's all good.

 

@deadmanwalkin009, the liberal/pc comment was meant to address all the liberal/pc bs in and surrounding the ST, and the fact that these new films are generally aimed to uphold those political and philosophical views. Fans who militantly defend this ST and it's characters, for right or wrong, are far more likely to be liberal/pc-minded than those who don't. It's so blatantly obvious that only a liberal/pc'er or millennial would/could possibly think that my comments makes me look ignorant or that I shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

Here's a thought- we don't have to bring politics into everything.

Anywho...

 

*wishing so bad there was a 'meh' emoji to rate this. lol*

I feel as if I need to apologize for liking the movie. I'm sorry.

 

I love this post because I think it’s so incredibly accurate. Because we are hardcore fans, I think it’s inevitable to theorize about stuff, but really the only big thing I do think was worth theorizing over was Rey’s parentage, because they intentionally led fans on to believe that she was someone important. (I do still think that her being the offspring of two nobodies will ultimately be more significant in the long run, but regardless of how you feel, Lucasfilm knowingly misled us on that one.)

I don’t think there was ever any question of who Snoke was. He was mysterious, but I never for a moment thought, “Oh, he’s someone else.” Like you said, the question never even presented itself in The Force Awakens—everyone just knew who he was. I find it funny that so many Star Wars fans wanted him to be connected to Palpatine or someone else from previous films, yet they also want the films to expand beyond what we’ve already seen. You can’t have it both ways, but I really never thought Snoke’s identity was really important. Sure, I would’ve liked to know more about where he came from and if his power did come from Palpatine, but I didn’t think he was someone else in disguise.

But I really appreciate you saying this because I think it’s very true. The Last Jedi served its purpose in the franchise and it was also made with the intention of leaving things for Episode IX, so I really think it did its job. Thanks for posting this!

 

Don't take this personally but LucasFilm doesn't "owe" you the movie you want. They don't "owe" you the movie you expect. They don't "owe" you a Star Wars movie at all.