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Rogue One: A Dark Wars Story?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Moral Hazard, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. Moral Hazard

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    There's been recent internet buzz about how “dark” the Star Wars universe should be presented in various mediums. All Star Wars stories are inherently war stories and subsequently contain dark and violent subject matter.
    • Will Rogue One be any different?
    • Is there anything to be gained or lost through more detailed portrayal of the realities of this galaxy at war?
    • Is a future “R” rated SW film possible or desirable?
    What are Cantina patrons' thoughts on the subject?
     
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    Very good questions!

    I believe Rogue One will likely "push the envelope" a bit while still maintaining the essential awareness of what Star Wars is and what it is not.

    Star Wars has spared us much of the gratuitous gore omnipresent in decidedly more science fiction and horror films (e.g. Alien).

    The increased realism among Stormtrooper injuries (physical and mental as in Finn) in The Force Awakens makes the danger far more ominous and appreciable without crossing a certain line.

    While a future Star Wars film could theoretically go R (e.g. a Quentin Tarantino directed Anthology Bounty Hunters film), I think that's a line Disney would do very well to reconsider before crossing.

    Star Wars was conceived very much in a fantastical storytime fashion, something, for all its wars and sufferings, which still maintained a certain magical and mythical aspect without descending too deeply into doom and gloom.

    Yes, there were limbs lost, of course, but those were very brief scenes. Many space and lightsaber battles as well. And Revenge of the Sith did have to go further than the other films, because Vader's backstory was indeed gruesome.

    I could see Rogue One earning a similar PG-13 rating, if the storytellers feel they need to show more on-screen suffering than what might be considered usual for a Star Wars film.

    There are plenty of creative decisions which could be made to emphasize certain things without showing them.

    I personally would prefer it if Star Wars would never go beyond PG-13. Its most stunning, memorable, haunting, and amazing moments have mostly been accomplished without succumbing to gratuitous on-screen hostilities or decidedly adult-oriented content.

    Star Wars
    has always been something which has appealed to and been open to audiences of all ages, especially families and young viewers. I would much rather it stay in that mode and achieve intensities and remembrance in novel ways.

    JediMasterRobert
     
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    I see a big chance to fail or to win big.

    Star Wars worked always good with "implied" violence" and some actual limp-loosing too. I can live with gore and blood but I dont think that Rogue One as a Star Wars Anthology Movie should go that rogue either. But it could work and I might be dead wrong on my view on on-screen violence in Star Wars.

    The concept and idea of a Band of Brothers/Saving Privat Ryan meets Star Wars War Galactic Civil War Movie is thrilling and exciting. But I just don´t know if and how the Star Wars factor and that War movie brutality could ever mix in balance.

    This question can be only answered by the trailer itself. It will reveal the feeling and look we just dont know yet. This will be an interesting development.
     
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    I personally feel Iv'e always loved the idea of R rated star wars movies. Like there is some dark stuff in Star Wars already, for example torture and patricide, but that is not enough. I want to actually see Star Wars like in a Game of Thrones sort of way. Because we all know the Galaxy in Star Wars is violent and bloody and cruel and not this pg-13 drivel that is catering to younger audience.:p I want to see that dark part of the galaxy in a movie and if not a movie then maybe a tv show.

    Objectively speaking no it won't happen because star wars is a family movie and disney owns star wars now and from what ive noticed it is marketed towards a younger audience a lot so yea. I really cant see it happening.

    As far as Rogue One goes I think it will be a darker theme than Episode 7 and 8. It really has the potential to be a better and more emotional and tragic story than The Force Awakens.

    this here clip is an example of what I like to see in my Star Wars shows:D:
     
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    Rogue One has very minimal buzz right now.

    DIS should start releasing pictures posters and media of ST, X-Wings, Death Star, etc.
     
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    This rings true with me as well.
     
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    Yes, they definitely should!

    Also, I think they should start put special emphasis on where this story occurs within the larger saga so people do not confuse it with Episode VIII.

    I could imagine someone out there, not really into Star Wars all that much, and then seeing some promos and saying, "Another Death Star?!" (not realizing this was the original DS from A New Hope).

    Jedi (Jedi hand gesturing to Disney): You will release the media at once.

    Disney: We will release the media at once.

    Jedi: And you will drop a major spoiler on the way out.

    [Disney walks out slowly, drops a page from Episode VIII screenplay.]


    #PlagueisConfirmed


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    I share both these sentiments. If it ain't broke, don't fix it I guess. It is smart storytelling to leave things inferred that might exclude parts of the audience.

    From a commercial perspective I see little to be gained from pursuing more adult orientated content but I may be missing something. Those of us who would follow a more adult Star Wars presentation are likely watching and enjoying the PG material anyways. I wouldn't rule out a Disney subsidiary seeking to open new adult markets in future although excluding the large PG audience could be a risky venture. So far us SW enthusiasts have demonstrated an insatiable appetite so I guess we'll see.

    In saying that, there is a part of me that the more adult content appeals to. The Ventriss scene @Kallus Wren [edit] shared really caught my attention when I first saw it on screen - I took it as an indicator that Rebels was not really a kids cartoon. Subsequent episodes have dispelled that notion for me and I sometimes wonder if it should be presented as an adult story with an edited version for younger time-slots like some franchises (Dragon Ball Z, Family Guy) have done in the past. I wonder why the title was "deleted kiss"? Was it edited out in certain showings?
     
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    "R" is a possibility but will hardly have a chance at occurring.
    R1, I think, will be a HARD PG-13 so imagine ROTS except with more/better violence.
    The only possible hing lost is our loss of our imagination which I guess is what has already happened with the tossing-out of The EU/Legends Ret-Con...what there is to gain is a better canonical understanding of The SW Galaxy .
     
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    If they are going to go with the R rating the Anthologies are the way to go for sure, we could see an analogy of this with Deadpool yes its marvel, yes its disney but it worked so well, its an amazing superhero marvel movie but its better because it holds off on nothing!!

    I feel that if it worked on Deadpool Disney might go the mile with Anthology movies and make an R rated star wars film, this would allow Edwards to have the freedom that he needs to make the most amazing war movie ever be a star wars movie

    it probably wont happen but i feel it would be amazing though
     
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    The best part of Star Wars (that no other franchise has achieved) is the capacity to release products for different ages. For now, the popular products are the ones "for all ages" (the saga films, most of the videogames...) and the ones "for kids" (cartoon series Rebels, Droids...). Nonetheless in a less popular terrain (novels, RPG...), a much darker storytelling has been already placed for years (at least in the old EU). I like the idea that anything is possible in the Star Wars universe, and there's a real demand for darker Star Wars films. I see it in the internet buzz, but also among my friends when we were playing the RPG and exploring a more realist way to approach the stories. The only important thing is that the main events converge with the canon ("this guy created the death star, this hero died while stealing the plans..." etc), for the rest, everything is possible.

    In addition, I find the anthology films necessary. Just to mention a couple of new products for kids: Rebels and the Lego TV series: both stories about a a character that finds out the force and becomes a Jedi. We need to explore other areas of storytelling (as The Clone Wars did very well) or it will be ruined.
     
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    If there could be a Star Wars film that would be rated R, Rogue One would be it, but I still don't think it would be a good idea. Maybe on the higher end of PG-13, but it should go beyond that. Star Wars has never been a franchise that goes hand in hand with R films, nor should it.
    Also, I don't think Rogue One will be R at all. For starters, Disney, with some exceptions under the Touchstone brand, doesn't make R rated films. It isn't their thing. Not because they are squeamish about such things, but it isn't part of their corporate identity. Also, this is the first anthology film. They have to prove a non-Saga film can be good and successful. It's likely one of the reasons they went with the very awesome idea of the theft of the Death Star plans. A little bit of familiarity to ease us in. Making it R, which would limit who could go see it, make some parents boycott it (or stupidly ask for an alternate cut like some clueless parents did for Deadpool), and potentially alienate those who did see it.
    Fox are the ones who made Deadpool since they own the sole film rights to the character (as well as X-Men and Fantastic Four). Disney had no part in it.
     
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    Star Wars deserves an R Rating for sure. It has so much potential. I really dont get it why people always say it doesnt fit to the Franchise. Why not? Look what Star Wars Underworld and 1313 should have become. Swearing, Blood, Use of Drugs. Star Wars is artificially helding back by this claim. Of course the Episodes should stay PG13 so that younger ones can watch them. But for Rogue One, SW Games or a KotOR Spin Off? Definitly!!!



    While Deadpool is from FOX, the TV-Shows Jessica Jones (which has a R-Raing) and Daredevil are from Disney.
     
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    I believe you got the wrong "KW", think you meant @Kallus Wren...

    I would definitely watch a Star Wars Netflix show :)

    But, personally, I don't really see the need for an R rated movie... We already have plenty of violence, with the blaster shots, chopped limbs, force choking... Dooku even got beheaded... How much more violence would you want to add to it?

    With that in mind, I'm not sure how I would feel on them going to the R rate just to add swearing and cursing, karabast, for that they can just make up some GFFA idiom and keep it PG13...
     
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    I think that this could very well end up being the darkest/grittiest SW movie to date, and I'd be cool with that:

    -It fits Gareth Edward's aesthetic.
    -This is the height of the Empire's power, where the Rebels were constantly on the run/in hiding.
    -It's focused on the "ordinary grunts" on the ground, with no Jedi around to help.
    -It's already been described by Edwards and co as a "gritty war film."
    -We might potentially get a Darth Vader who isn't holding back. Him at his most cold-blooded, relentless, ruthless, and hate-filled.
    -It doesn't have to concern itself with being part of a pre-set trilogy, so it has more leeway when it comes to killing/maiming it's characters (also being a spinoff and all).

    I thik that they might go for a "hard PG-13," and these days the distinction between that and Rated R can sometimes be hard to understand anyway.

    While I'd be perfectly ok with a Rated-R SW film, I don't really think that it'll happen anytime soon. Perhaps at some point in the future, but not right now. I COULD maybe see them doing a really gritty SW TV show on Netflix show (ala what Marvel is doing right now) at some point though. And I'd love to see that.
     
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    Maybe it's desirable for some fans, possible I guess not. (myself don't need a violent approach in Star Wars movies)
    It's Disney, they love to make alot of money.
    They want/need kids in the cinema seats. (for more ticket sales)
     
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    Thanks for straightening out my lysdexia!
    I'm curious to see if there is any non-Jedi Force use in the film, although I'm sure it would play out fine without.
     
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    I'm confident that R1 will be as "adult" as things could/will become .
     
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    CoughVadercough.
     
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    What's that mean ? lol
     
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