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Rogue One proves Lucasfilm is lost

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Lobot, Aug 15, 2016.

  1. GingerByte

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    You do realise that it's just as difficult to produce a CGI model as it is to create a practical model, right? People like you just believe that it's easier because you fail to realise that there's multiple people working on the models and animation at once :).
     
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    If anything, this guy here proves that the "old ones" really like computers and the models they give. Like, a lot.

    Also, Spielberg's new movie, BFG, is packed with CGI.

    They have released one out of the five/six movies they have scheduled. Judging the new trilogy as a whole from one is erroneous at best.
     
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    Disney/Lucasfilm had a big hurdle to overcome with restarting the SW universe. The schism between the OT and the PT. No matter what your feelings on the PT is, we can all agree that there was a backlash in the SW fandom caused by them. If that same backlash would have occurred with the first new movie out of the gate, the future of SW would not have been bright. Disney/Lucasfilm were forced to play it safe to keep the OT purists on board as it is safe to say that is still the largest contingent of SW fans. They also needed to bring new fans in order to be able to allow the legacy of SW to carry forward. By creating a movie that paid homage to the OT and creating new characters people could connect with they did what they needed to do with TFA. Now they can take a little more risk with future movies and Inthink VIII is going to provide you with what you are looking for.

    As far as Rogue One, there is a lot of risk involved as it is the first of the stand alone movies. The success of this one could impact the success of the future SW Stories. They decided to go with a story people are familiar with ; Something "safe". However, it is going to be much different then the saga films. It will have a different feel to it. As they see what works with the SW Stories they will be able to take more risks with them as well.
     
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    Feminism gender gender feminism, whatever. You get my point so ease up or find another forum on another site. All your doing is digging yourself into a hole by not complying with what I'm asking you very politely to do.
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    Um no that would be incorrect. Actually your NOT going to continue to comment on your inflammatory political views in this forum. Choosing to continue to do so would be choosing to get yourself banned. You've already been warned twice. Your choice. Thank YOU.
     
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    Never ever underestimate the power of psychological warfare. Seeing a mile long symbol of Imperial might can take the wind of out the sails of many would-be-rebels and rebel sympathizers.

    I find it's the filmmakers should shaped the cinema of the '70s and '80s, those pioneers of visual effects, who are the ones who rely on computers to an absurd degree. People like James Cameron and even Lucas himself fell in love with CGI and abandoned practical effects and sets. It's the later generation of filmmakers who value practical effects more. Is there a lot of CGI in The Force Awakens? Yeah, but it is far better balanced with practical effects and much of the digital work was things like removing puppeteers and puppeteering rods or things that would have been done in a similar manner (is digital rotoscoping much different from the old school method in essence? You still get a similar lightsaber blade or blaster bolt).
     
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    100% true. This tactic has been used in warfare and occupations for 1000's of years.
     
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    And how did the prequel trilogy expand the fantasy elements of the saga if I may ask? By adding the midichlorians? The force or the jedi were left almost absolutely unexplored. Or even the new elements like the sith... What do we know about the sith from the movies? Are they a species or just a state? Are every dark side user sith? Why are they named darth and have red lightsabers? What were they having reveng on? Etc.

    TFA put back the saga to its original path, where the force users and the force are misterious again. And thats more than enough for one episode imo.
     
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    IMO, its more about the lack of quality source material than anything else. Great Stories have the potential to get turned into great movies. Hollywood loves needs them some books. How many novels have been adapted to the BIG screen? I can't even count them.

    If we hold a magnifying glass up to our favorite Saga, the Campbell/Flash-Gordon/Star Wars melting-pot was getting stirred years before the film was green lit... but the AotC script was written right after Lucas finished an interview. Think about that. Years versus what, an evening, a weekend or two? Seriously, all smarm aside... the PT did not get the same story treatment. Forget green screen.... it shouldn't matter to an actor worth their weight in salt, because theater stages have been around for centuries.... so THAT argument means nothing to me. I have often wondered; especially when I modded a Star Wars PT forum, how different the prequels might have been if Lucas had poured his soul into them in the same way that he spent crafting the OT.

    A film's potential is only as good as its source material and script... then the director's vision for how to shoot it... but every now and then, great actors rise above shoddy writing and poor direction. Hence why some films get panned while one of its actors receives critical acclaim for their performance. Don't believe me? Type in: "10 bad films with 10 great performances" and you can laugh like I did at how many lists pop up.
     
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    And it gets worse: they were building sets for Revenge of the Sith BEFORE Lucas had written the script and you can actually see him admitting this in the behind the scenes footage!
     
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    Yeah, you're spot with Lucas and the scripts. The Phantom Menace may not have been the most interesting installment, but to me it felt the best-written out of all the prequels considering that Lucas started on it in 1994; he had three to four years to come up with a rough trilogy plan and then start writing the first film in the trilogy. Even look at Star Wars, Lucas spent five years working on the story and script for that film. He needed a co-writer for the prequel trilogy to speed up, improve and refine the writing process, like he had with Kasdan. Unfortunately, all the directors and writers Lucas approached rejected the offer and in the end Spielberg told him only he could do it. Such a shame!
     
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    And it was the Phantom Menace which brought the new fantasy elements to the lore aswell. Ep II and III almost absolutely nothing. Maybe except for the tale of Plagueis, but aside from that, nothing.
     
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    The fact that Lucas didn't fully explain the midi-chlorians till The Clone Wars is what I think put alot of people off the concept. I know you don't like them, but I don't have a problem with them as they just serve as some sort of universal connector. The force is still mysterious, as midi-chlorians are just the bridge between the living and the cosmic force. They also provided an explanation for force ghosts, and introduced the origin of all life in the galaxy. I'm referring to the Force Planet from season six.

    Just my opinion though :).
     
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    Palpatine talked about Plagueis in the Opera House and Snoke after Mace went out the window.

    The first, saved others from dying by manipulating midichlorians.

    The second, is still cheating death... with no mention of them.

    Not his fault, Ana-Vader wasn't really paying attention.

    :p
     
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    I'd respond but after a while the speedbag kinda gets boring...
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    Oh jesus. "Full retard?" it's not enough that this guy obnoxiously voices an unpopular opinion (the same one by the way, over and over) but he has to continue to do so in such tasteless ways.

    Will the mods PLEASE ban this guy already?

    Its not that there isn't room for dissenting opinion. An echo chamber would make for a boring message board. Its the clear trolling, uncivil language, constant scapegoating of feminism and so on. It creates a toxic environment in every single thread he drops a turd on.

    Some of our smartest, most thoughtful and most active members are women here. How sick and tired they must be of dealing with the sort of pompous mysogony and bigoted wind bag commentary of posters like "they live" throughout geek culture. I'm sick of it too.

    Posters like "they live" are the reason I've not signed up and participated in other message boards in geek culture in the past and why i lurked here for a year before becoming active. When i saw that posters of his ilk were very uncommon here, i rejoiced and joined the conversation. Its unfortunate that he sullies every conversation he joins with excess negativity, exclusionary rhetoric, bigoted opinions regarding women and the mentally disabled, and forces complicated real world politics into a place where they don't belong.

    And to you, "they live" its a shame you named your self after such a great movie, because your contributions here are anything but great. I think you might find your manner of posting more welcome on the return of kings blog, breitbart, or stormfront.





     
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    Do you really want to know just how bad the "worse" was?:p

    Forget building the sets before the story, forget too much CGI... how about rearranging the film's signature event AFTER the novel (based on the final script) was completed? And, its mostly all on Spielberg. Mr Titanic convinced father Skywalker to take out out the turn before the Council seat mess and push it farther back. So we ended up with, join Sith, now go kill children. But the novel has the original turn where Palpatine offered him any system in the Galaxy; all Skywalker had to do was name it.

    One line in the movie remains true to the Original vision, "After the death of Count Dooku, Anakin became his new Apprentice." ((Then Vader played the Jedi Council as a Sith-Lord/ Double Agent)). --I almost blew a gasket back in the day. I was so knee deep with inside info that I spoiled the net with Mace's & Anakin's dialog after the former disarmed Palpatine. A Jedi didn't defend the Chancellor there; originally, a Sith Lord did.... just like he blocked Luke's attack on the DS2. Spielberg helped ruin that. Countless flames, tons of trolling and a few bans later....

    I still love RotS, so I don't even know what I'm talking about right now. :eek: /End Rant.
     
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    Is that really true? Can you provide some source please? I'd really like to read more about this.
    Its not really the fact that I dont like the midichlorian idea (although I find the conception completely unnecessary), but much rather that they didnt do anything interesting with it. They just threw it in TPM and then the next time they even mention it is at the ending arc of ROTS (where it was also completely unnecessary, instead of ,, ...influenced the midichlorians to create life" Palps could've just said ,,influenced the force to create life" imo). I know this has to do with the massive backlash after TPM, but I think if Lucas decided to throw in the idea, than he should've done something with it. Because in its current form I think the concept is just vague and redundant.

    Just my opinion though.
     
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    This might be difficult. (Even for the self-proclaimed SafeKeeper of the Ancient Star Wars Image Gallery) A decade on the net, is like 150 years in real time. Most of my old links are 404'd. We were on Temp-forums for a time... so some of it is gone forever. I think I have a few of those images and the deleted scene where Anakin is standing behind Palpatine when the Senators (Delegation of 2000 IIRC) confronted the Chancellor. (My old Photobucket has them I'm sure.)

    Let me see what I can put together...

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    Here is an old TFN post that has the image in it... the scene was filmed and then scrapped.

    Ahh... yes... I found the BIG one...
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    Walking with Mas...
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    (This was right before the pitch to join him, if my memory still holds)

    Of note, Palpatine can still be seen holding Anakin's lightsaber during his fight with Mace, today.
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    They forgot to replace the hilt in some of the closeup shots.
    (Check it out on your dvd, IYDBM)

    The deleted scene:


    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/steven-spielberg-and-revenge-of-the-sith.50015994/
    I haven't logged in over there since my Grandfather died a couple of years ago, when I retired from Modding.
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    I'll have to think about that before I go back in there to dig.

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    (had to post this image, just because)
    When it comes to RotS, there aren't many people who were more spoiled than my crew... my mace vs Sidious posts, or at least the info, might still up at MilleniumFalcon and at T-Bone's SW site.

    EDIT:
    Random Question:
    Did you know Darth Maul made it onto the ramp of Padme's ship?
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    I put this on the web, see T-Bone's site for details. Dang, I've forgotten a lot of stuff....
    Master, someone erased the archive memories. lol.

    ***

    Best thing to do?

    Read the ROTS Novel.... its the closest thing to the original script.
     
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    Definitely valid points.. Lucas/Spielberg always tried to avoid a ton of exposition by using fleshed out characters and environments to paint the picture as they hurl you through an original adventure. I think that's why their movies are so re-watch able for me and most. The prequels were a mess, but very ambitious and beautiful mess that left me salivating for more of the sw universe. Sadly the force awakens gave me a very little and unsatisfying taste, but it certainly got the sequels on the right track.
     
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    I think noone is denying that the prequels immensly expanded the OT by adding the new planets, ships, political aspect etc.
    But if we are talking about the fantasy elements, the PT barely added anything new and even the new ones werent really fleshed out. I remember back then when we learned that the title of ep III was going to be ROTS, some people said they hopefully finally explain what a sith is...
    Obviously Im not suggesting that Lucas should've shoveled the PT with exposition, but we are talking about 3 entire 120 min+ movies. Some clever visual exposition about the sith or well written dialogues throughout the PT would've been sufficeint.
    ANH is a great example. A completely original movie suceeds to tell you every single information and exposition you need to know about its grand world and rich lore, and not for a seconds does it become boring while doing so.
     
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