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Rogue One Reviews (With Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Viral Hide, Dec 13, 2016.

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    That's a good observation and I think you're right. I think I share a lot of your opinions regarding running time, the effect of the rewrites/reshoots, character development. Despite that, I still immensely enjoyed RO and probably liked it more than TFA as being a bit more daring
     
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    Wow it made your top 3, impressive.
     
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    I watched the movie yesterday. Overall it was a nice movie, but surely not a great one. Maybe I am just a little too much into the Jedi-Sith thing, that I found myself hard to completely enjoy a Star Wars film without these elements. I also found the absence of a John Williams soundtrack a little strange, sometimes the music sounded unfamiliar. And some dialogue here and there was a little "bad", or maybe I should say typical and cliche of the war movie genre.

    I could also say the same for the script: once again in a movie of this kind, the main hero does not believe in the greater cause at first, but when someone close to him/her dies, he/she suddenly becomes a war general willing to sacrifice himself/herself and even lead the rebellion and say things like "rebellions are built on hope"... I know that this is what the movie is all about, but I am a little fed up with most movies trying so hard to have the same moral lessons etc....

    I would give Rogue One a 7/10, and this is mostly for the second part of the movie and the great ending...

    My SW list would be:

    1. ESB
    2. ROTJ
    3.TFA
    4.ROTS
    5. ANH
    6. RO
    7. AOTC
    8.TPM
     
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    I think that was happening in the Vader's castle, not earlier, and that they decided that was too forward for Krennic - no one talks to Darth Vader like that. If he did, Vader would end him then and there.
     
    #744 LadyMusashi, Dec 21, 2016
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    Like most spoilers, they're in the mouth of some blabbermouth who's seen a movie you haven't seen yet. :p

    I was just giddy that finally -- finally! -- the Whills are part of Star Wars Cinematic Canon! (I've been waiting for that to happen since 1977!)
     
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    Newbie posting my thoughts: Now seen RO twice...

    My Opinion:

    I have always wanted a more adult themed SW film (Dark/Gritty, less Teen Humor than FTA that's for sure) since the OT and well... I got one in the shape of Star 'WARS' Rogue One. All in all, to me, a very good and well executed film (with a few gripes in the first 45 mins). Where the OT took risks creating films and themes we've never seen before, TFA bored me a little through the use of the familiar, so it was fantastic to see Gareth Edwards take some risks, many paying off.

    What I loved: Understanding more about the Rebel Alliance and it's origins, the wider state of the galaxy, 'the Whills' , the action (best space battle since ROTJ). Red/Gold leaders, Tarkin - a great nod, the ending VADER scene, the fate of the heroes was quite powerful. I liked the plot and how they explained the Death Star weakness, felt plausible to me.

    What I didn't: Not a great deal, but the age of Bail Organa was something, the opening RO wording, the average fan DID need a crawl for that film, the soundtrack did not really catch me like the other films. I felt like the handling of Saw Gerrera was abit off - in the re shoots I would not be surprised if this was an area of change.

    How do I rank it...

    ESB - 9/10
    AHN - 8.8/10
    ROTJ - 8.6
    RO - 8.5

    TFA - 7.8
    ROTS - 7.7
    TPM - 6.8
    CW - 5

    Thank you SW NERDS :D
     
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    I dig how AOTC is just outside of your rankings entirely :p
     
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    After seeing it a few times/digesting a bit, and posting an initial review earlier - I'm going to take the easy way out on my rankings... I have to keep them this close because they move up/down slightly depending on my mood, wind direction, ambient temperature, what color underwear I have on, etc.

    1. ESB/ANH 9/10
    2. R1/TFA 8.5/10
    3. ROTJ 8.0/10
    4. ROTS 7.5/10
    5. TPM 7.0/10
    6. AOTC 5.0/10
     
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    I must admit being a little disappointed that they changed the Vader/Krennic dynamic like that. Cause we already know that no one talks to Vader like that. The original trilogy has several cases of Imperial officers being reduced to puddles when Vader enters the room. :p The "power is immeasurable" scene with Krennic promised to give us a new type of Vader-and-character interaction, but in the end, the final scene made Krennic look just like everybody else who deals with Darth Vader.

    Granted, we did get Motti mouthing off to Vader in A New Hope, but we haven't gotten something like that since then.
     
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    Newbie here too!!!

    I really loved this movie! From the tone to the increasing pace through the movie and the battle sequences! Wow! But in a way I thought it was a movie only fans would dig it. I was wrong. On my 2nd viewing, I went with 3 friends from work. None of them are really SW fans (2 of them watched TFA recently and ANH ages ago and 1 watched no SW movies at all). And they absolutely loved it. Not only the 3rd act, but all of it.

    I believe we, as fans and geeks, tend to nitpick and look for flaws and details (nothing wrong about it, thought).. for the general audience, overall experience and enjoyability are what really matters. No wonder why this movie is doing really good on the box office (have you guys seen the Monday box office numbers?), lots of word of mouth and positive reviews. It is a great movie.

    I love the OT, but always think about “what if” they were released today and let’s remove the “nostalgia” effect we have today about them. How would people react (visual effects aside)? I absolute adore all 3 OT, specially ANH and ESB, but there is no such thing as a perfect movie. I love SW movies, especially because they are part of a bigger universe (we’ve got the books, the games, the comics, the tv series, etc). The lack of explanation about the Empire, Darth Vader or the Alliance on ANH is not a problem IMHO, but I know some people have big issues with no details or background information on the First Order, Kylo Ren and the Resistance on TFA, for example. Vader is this amazingly deep character not only because of ANH, but because of the bigger picture throughout the OT and even the games, the comics, the books... And RO just added some more depth into it.

    My ranking:

    "The Greatest" Group:
    1) ANH
    2) ESB
    3) RO
    4) ROTJ
    5) TFA

    "The Cool" Group:
    ROTS

    "The OK" Group:
    TPM

    "The hmm" Group:
    AOTC
     
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    The Whills appeared in the final episodes of The Clone Wars.
     
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    After seeing the movie twice now, after my initial reaction and a bit of time for contemplation, I have a clearer picture of the movie.

    I know it is not fair to compare it to TFA, they are completely different, TFA isn't a complete story and its characters had only just begun their journeys. Still, they are the two SW movies of the new era and you can compare them subjectively. And, while I loved TFA, I feel that Rogue One was made for me and my sensibilities. The story and the characters (in spite of the fact that on page Jyn is 21) are more mature, the consequences of every action -or inaction - are heavy, the stakes are high. It is also beautiful, it's completely retro to match up with ANH and yet completely modern - in the way it was filmed. It is the most immersive Star Wars movie to date, it gives complexity to both the Empire and the Rebellion, it expands the world and the mythology.

    I cared for each and every character. We, as fans, sometimes forget that SW is 40 years old, we have seen these movies 300 times each at least and know characters inside out. But, if you compare ANH and Rogue One, you didn't know much more about Luke, Han, Leia or Obi Wan than about Rogue One crew. If you did, it is only because there was fewer of them. I cannot pick up a favorite. K-2SO is funny, but so was Chirrut. I adored Bodi's earnestness and a switch that happens in his mind on Yavin. Love the relationships between Baze and Chirrut, between K-2SO and Cassian. Jyn was strong yet vulnerable (her scene watching Galen's message was heartbreaking), Cassian probably gets the most significant story arc (his killing of the informant set the tone of the movie for me).

    And, I don't care what anyone says, that score is magnificent. It's a different flavor of Star Wars music, we better get used to that.There are so many tracks on the soundtrack that just invoke scenes from the film - 'Your Father Would Be Proud' kills me every time. The three Suites from the end of soundtrack are constantly on loop for me.

    In other words, I cannot wait to see it again. It's incredible, but a movie in which every character I love dies made my end of the year.
     
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    "Your Father Would Be Proud" to me is the best piece from an SW score since the OT, and "Hope" is right up there with it. That 2-song section, along with the footage that goes with it, is an incredible movie in and of itself. When I listen, I can see every moment so clearly.
     
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    Well since we are ranking the various films, here is my 2cents....

    1. Empire Strikes Back and Rogue One
    3. A New Hope
    4. The Force Awakens and Revenge of the Sith
    6. Return of the Jedi
    7. Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace

    I really love this new film. The grittiness and the fact the heroes don't survive makes it just top notch. They paid the ultimate price for the rebellion. The effects were good and the acting was top notch.
     
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    If anyone here has seen the incredible finale of Six Feet Under, that is the power of death on-screen, and I feel that it was never really fully showcased in a Star Wars film until now, which is a shame, because there has always been a lot of death in Star Wars.
     
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    Sorry, I know this is OLD... but going thru the thread from the beginning since I just saw the movie...

    I disagree- I thought Tarkin was awesome, it almost to me felt the scenes with him were deleted scenes from ANH put on the brand new super deluxe special edition 4K releases lol - just my opinion.
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    Yeah personally I dislike Michael Giacchino as a composer. I don't find ANY of his music worth listening to. Nothing memorable in Trek and certainly none here. Should have gotten John Williams, or ANYONE other than Giacchino. I thought they originally tapped Alexandre Desplat for the score? Too bad that didn't work out, I liked his music in Potter...
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    The Soundtrack was "Star Warsy" but not memorable at all... IMHO

    It didn't take me out of the movie but it just... idk how to describe it... To be fair, John Williams is a tough act to follow...
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2016 ---

    They should have had a Crawl... The only thing in my opinion that they needed to differentiate it from the "Saga" films was to simply not put an episode number... Or hell - simply the Star Wars splash followed by Rogue One - A Star Wars Story, then cut to the planet as seen in the movie... it would have been consistent to a point and then proceeded as it did... IDK quite honestly after the "Prologue" with Krennic, the editing was choppy for a good 15-20 min and was annoying... one of the only gripes with the movie. That, no crawl and the soundtrack being the 3. No problems with the CGI characters at all. Wished more Chirrut and/or wished he was a Jedi. And More Vader would have been awesome as well, however I am glad he had more than a cameo here for sure!

    STAR WARS

    Rogue One
    A Star Wars Story
     
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    I liked the movie, but I became too impatient with the OT nostalgia in the movie's last act . . . especially the large scale battle, which struck me as over-the-top and perhaps a bit unnecessary. Yet, I liked it better than "The Force Awakens" and certainly found it more energetic than "Return of the Jedi". I think a second viewing might make me decide whether I would rank it above the 1983 film or not.



    One day, I hope that Lucasfilm and Disney will get over its OT mindset and try to be more original with future Star Wars films. Learn to take real chances. And the Tarkin and Leia CGI characters struck me as phony and awful.
     
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    Sorry - what missing "Vader reveal" scene?
     
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    Thanks for pointing that out, Lord Denton. (I haven't seen the later episodes of Clone Wars yet).

    I suppose I should have written "live action" canon as opposed to "cinematic", since that is why I was elated. Maybe it's just me, but Live Action means a little more to me.
     
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    They're both the same thing now unless its officially called "legends"
     
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