OFFICIAL NEWS Rogue One Trailer #1 & #2

What is your experience RL towards military weaponry, development and then ultimately end user? I mean to declare discontinuity military developementwise you must have a ton.

 

I'm pretty sure that's because The DA has its own gravity so it was able to pull in the ship .

 

Uh, why do I keep seeing this same post in so many topics??

 

The "House of Mouse" must've forgotten to dump these guys...



And this guy...



And is that Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan in the background?



Lucasfilm isn't dumping alien designs. They've been going out of their way to recapture the aesthetic of the OT. They can't accomplish that by throwing away elements from the most iconic visual library in movie history.

 

Well if that is the case and they really are trying to recapture the aesthetic of the OT, they are really doing a bad job at it.

 

@Amanaman, and others expressing similar opinions:

Consider the OT films for a moment. How many "aliens" were in the core group of protagonists? One. And it was Chewie. So the core group was primarily made up of humans.

There are already two confirmed aliens in the R1 primary group of heroes. I'm sure they'll play more supporting type roles, and that the core group will primarily be humans. Just like in the OT. How are they doing "recapturing" the feel of the OT so far? Oh just fine.

Then consider the scope of the OT films. It was always small. Why? Because that lends to a more focussed and compelling narrative. We had our small group of (primarily human) protagonists, but always had a sense that they were in a much much larger and vast galaxy with other species, worlds, etc. But those elements were always on the sideline. That use of small scale, with a feeling of an unseen/larger scale, is a large part of why the OT films work so well.

We've seen many aliens in what little R1 material we've been given so far. Some familiar, and some new. And as of right now, those elements seem to be supporting the main group/narrative, which seems to be very straight-forward and focussed. Just like the OT.

I (respectfully) cannot agree that Disney is failing to recapture the feel of the OT with what we've seen of this film so far. They're doing a fine job.

When you say they're failing to capture the scope, worlds, and countless aliens/creatures of the OT, I think you're thinking of the PT instead. Don't judge the new Disney films with the PT as reference. Why compare the new works to a set of works which we know they're purposefully straying away from? Stubborness?

Either that or its just negativity for the sake of negativity, which seems to be a trend with several users around here.

 

Spot on.

 

Thanks for the words my friend and I do understand what you are trying to say but in my defense I have to say that my concern is due to stubbornness or negativity for the sake of negativity's sake. First of all I have to say that I have been a die hard SW since childhood and having loved both the OT and the PT with the same passion, I was one of those fans that greatly looked forward to the new movies. While now it shames me to say so, I was greatly pumped when George Lucas sold SW to Disney for my very own reasons. While none of them were prequel based as I love the PT, I was angry that Lucas always seemed to harbor a fear of going beyond ROTJ. Every new project he came up with be it CW or Rebels was always in the prequel era and already there were talks about an ongoing TV series that was going to be in that time frame as well. This angered me because I grew up with the OT and love those characters with all my heart and I always wanted to see more of them yet Lucas seemed to fear threading into post Jedi territory. Each new series that came, each year that went by was hard for me as I knew that the OT stars were not getting younger and hopes of seeing them in the big screen got harder and harder. Then came the news of Lucas selling to Disney and their plans to go beyond Jedi and that blew my mind. Finally my SW dreams would come true and you know the rest.

Enter TFA which I was incredibly pumped to see already having bought two pair of tickets to see it in 3D with my wife one time after the other as is our tradition with all SW movies and feeling incredibly pumped by the fact that we were finally going to get a SW movie with a female lead. What did I get? A total rehash of ANH and nothing more. JJ and Disney were so afraid of the negative reactions from fans towards the prequels that they gave us exactly the same movie without nothing new. Gone were every single alien we had ever known and the use of the Force at the hands of Rey was disgusting. You asked me if I was being negative just for negativity's sake but now I ask you, are you and many other fans blindly loving TFA just because it has a SW logo on it? How can fans hate the concept of the Midichlorians and say that Lucas ruined the Force by inventing them but when you argue about Rey's disregard of EVERYTHING the OT (not the PT) showed us about how the Force works, fans angrily come up with absurd theories defending TFA? Is that true reasoning or blind defence created by hate towards the PT? While Midichlorians (And I admit I disliked the concept at first as well) did nothing to ruin the Force as we had seem in the OT, Rey's use of it really did. She did in a few hours things that took Luke three movies to accomplish and fans love that but they hate what Lucas did in the PT regarding the Force? TFA gave us tons of eye candy and nostalgia feed while it took my beloved characters from the OT and made them failures at everything. Failures as parents, Jedi, couples ect. We even had to see the New Republic which we knew nothing about and had never seen be totally destroyed by a Death Star 3.0 off screen! To add insult to injury they killed Han in the most stupidest way possible by a so far uninteresting character that's just a Vader wannabe.

When you look at this you have to wonder, why do fans love this movie so much if it had nothing new to offer and offended in more things than Lucas ever did but fans just WANT TFA to be better just because they hate the PT. When fans saw TPM they bashed the movie so hard by it's extensive use of CGI yet why is it that now they fly into a rage when I point out that JJ himself said that TFA had more CGI than TPM. Where is the hate then? Why bash TPM because of CGI but say that TFA looked excellent? Is this blind hate then or what? Now you may be asking yourself what does this have to do with your arguments about the aliens and whatnot but I have told you these things to give you a better view at the fact that maybe it is the hatred for everything PT that has most fans today blindly adoring everything about a new movie and inventing every excuse possible to say the new movies rock just to justify their blind hate of the PT.

Now regarding the aliens, I'm not even going to reference the PT in any way but just use the OT which we all love. While you are correct in that Chewie was the only alien on the main team, this has never been my point as I have never argued about having more aliens in the main team as no SW movie has ever done this and I know for a fact that RO has two alien characters on the teams group. What I mean is that look at the world as a whole. Lucas used aliens who where mostly background characters to mech his movies nicely. As I said, prequels aside, look at how his world flowed. You saw Rodians, Jawas, Snivvians and Saurin in ANH and you then saw them in ROTJ as well. You were introduced to Bossk who was a Trandoshan and to Ungnaughts in TESB and these two could be seen in ROTJ.

Lucas meshed movies nicely and he gave us a world where aliens apart from humans had made their way all over the galaxy and this is just using the movies as reference cause if I were to use the EU then we would see that many alien races were colonizing worlds in the galaxy even before humans did. See how the movies mech well? Lucas would give us new aliens in one movie but he would then use them in another showing us a galaxy that was filled with space faring beings from tons of species. Then comes TFA and it throws away all that just by telling us that Jakku and Takodana were far away and that's why no known alien species were seen? That's a joke! If you are also someone who knows alot about the EU which I am assuming you do, you would know very well that a planet with the reputation of Jakku that was a graveyard of Imperial ships would have attracted TONS of the known alien species from different systems as the Endor battle was not a close guarded secret but was an event that was seen, known and celebrated throughout the galaxy.

Then, when I say that Disney wants to stay clear of most things created by Lucas, fans get angry and argue with me calling me a hater and whatnot but sure, we don't want to use known aliens that live far away but lets make carbon copies of some of them?


And finally we come to RO which is a prequel and is set in the OT timeline. Now we see new and advanced ships and gear that never existed in any OT movie and even three new types of Stormtroopers but we don't see any of the known alien species that made up the SW galaxy but God forbid I say this cause I'm quickly a troll or a hater that hates for no apparent reason? Heck! I'm a 41 year old hardcore SW fan and I have been digging SW even before many fans here were even born! I've been along the ride from the start and I love SW with all my heart. I've seen the movies, I've played the games, I collect the toys, I've read the books, comics and magazines and I even proposed marriage to my wife dressed as Vader while she was dressed as Amidala! SW is in my heart but you know how insulting it is to have a kid who's first experience with SW was TFA come tell me I'm a hater just because I disliked the movie? Now I ask you, if fans hate Lucas for many of the things thay call ''flaws'' yet praise these same flaws in the new movies and defend them blindly with teeth and claw, who really is the negative person who acts that way just for negativitys sake?

Have you ever read the novel Darth Plagueis? Have you seen how many fans here in the Cantina that are desperate to see Darth Plagueis in the new SW movies and even hope that he is Snoke? If you indeed have read the movie you would see that what makes Plagueis so awesome is everything related with his midichlorian research. The way he experiments and tampers with them to better understand and manipulate the Force makes him what he is yet don't you find it odd that while most fans here want to see Plagueis because they love the character are the very same fans who hated Lucas for creating Midichlorians in the first place? Is that hypocrisy or what? But it will be a cold day in hell before fans have the courage to admit that many of them act how they do and defend movies that are weaker than the first 6 just because they disliked the PT.

 

Besides having no budget, the story could be that it's focused no the skywalkers so there is no need to show the entire galaxy .

 

To answer your question about whether I like TFA simply because it has the SW label on it, no I do not. I love TFA based on its own merit. I am a die-hard Star Wars fan, but have no problem disliking SW material. I love the OT, I love TFA, and I love the aesthetic of TPM. I hate AoTC and RotS. I hate The Clone Wars and Rebels. I very much dislike every SW novel with the exception of about six of them. So no, the SW label does not cause for me to automatically like something.

Then I see that you cry about TFA being a "complete rehash of ANH," even though that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. But the followers of that camp are determined, I guess. To address the complaint, no, TFA is not just a rehash of ANH. I made an incredibly lengthy post addressing this in detail in the TFA forum. Chris Stuckmann addressed this complaint more thoroughly than anyone, showing how ridiculous it really is. But many people are very determined to be narrow-minded and only acknowledge details that support their predetermined notions. To each his own. I know I won't change your opinion on the matter.

You then go on to say that R1 material has given us NONE of the aliens we love from the OT. You must not be paying much attention, because it has.

And no I have not read the Plageuis novel. And yes, those "fans" you've described are hypocrites! I am not one of them. I find the story of Plageuis, AND the injection of midichlorians into the film saga to both be ridiculous.

 

While I do like that you are honest about the things you like and don't like, I to have come to understand that indeed many people are narrow-minded and only acknowledge details that support their predetermined notions just to fit in one camp. That TFA is not a rehash of ANH? Though I too have written about this before, let's be fair and put your words to the test to see who's in denial.

Which of the SW movies has this plot?

1-Important secret info is put inside a droid and bad guys are looking for it.

2-Hero lives in desert planet without knowing much about parents and without knowing about the great destiny that is soon to come.

3-Droid with secret info is captured by alien but ends up in the hands of hero.

4-Bad guys kill innocents while searching for the droid.

5-Bad guys have super weapon that can destroy planets.

6-Black helmet bad guy has an important commander that seems to have the same type of rank he has.

7-Hero meets wise mentor figure who tells hero about the Force.

8-Black helmet guy was once a good guy and he was very important to wise mentor figure.

9-Hero goes to alien filled cantina with mentor figure in hopes to find a ship to deliver the droid to good guys that are in war with tyrant army.

10-Super weapon is activated destroying countless lives.

11-Mentor figure with heros help tries to sabotage super weapon.

12-Black helmet guy confronts wise mentor figure after not having seen him in a long time.

13-Wise mentor figure dies during confrontation with black helmet guy while hero watches and screams.

14-Super weapon is prepared to wipe out rebelious good guys once and for all.

15-Good guys make desperate plan to destroy super weapon by using small ships who's wings look like an X.

16-Bad guys counter with ships that look like an H while the super weapon makes its final countdown to fire on good guys.

17-Good guys piloting ships with wings that look like an X make a trench run and are fired at by laser emplacements from super weapon.

18-Good guys destroy super weapon and go home to celebrate.

Now tell me my wise friend, which movie is this? Is this ANH or is it TFA? Is there something on this list that happened in one movie but didn't in the other so that you can tell them apart?

Lastly I was very clear in an earlier post regarding the lack of known aliens that the only known aliens were the ones used as important characters such as Ackbar and Niem Numb but just in case you didn't see it I'll show you here:


So please my friend, enlighten me. Is that plot I just wrote exactly the same to a fault in the two movies or are you going to insist on being one of those from the denial camp who is just going to try to make attemps at insults to make yourself look good and bad quote my post?

 

This is the last post I will make on this topic in this thread. We need to move it to the TFA forum if it continues.

You have shown the fault in the "TFA is nothing but a rehash of ANH" theory, perfectly. You listed 18 aspects of the film to prove your point. You listed only similarities between the films, instead of acknowledging the similarities and the differences. There are far more differences than similarities. But you choose to acknowledge only the aspects that support your desired opinion.

I'm willing to acknowledge both the shortcomings and the positive things about TFA. Both the similarities and differences between it and ANH. Star Wars is, after all, a formula piece.

 

Hidalgo says this is what it looks like from the Death Star. Perspective is everything I guess...

 

No problem my friend and we don't have to go on debating about our different opinions as I'm sure there can be many aspects of SW were we can find common ground and enjoy ourselves talking about that. So on a more positive note and returning to RO, I had heard rumors about the Bounty Hunters from TESB being in RO but the trailer so far shows no indication of this so I'm really starting to think that this won't happen. Any thoughts about this? Have you heard any comments or rumors regarding this?

 

Incase it is not topic related.

 

I suspect something inappropriate is being said and the mods edit it out.

 

Interesting differences. Most notably the mention that Galen Erso is the one that alerted them Rebellion about the weapons test.

 

Spot on. Standing ovation.

As wise Jedi Master Obi-Wan once said:

"Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

 

The only "new" thing is that Jyn's dad provided the information about the imminent DS test .