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Rotten Tomatoes dismisses claim that the audience rating was skewered by bots

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Dec 24, 2017.

  1. Grand Admiral Kraum

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    "There's no denying Star Wars: The Last Jedi has proved itself a divisive movie.

    While the film has been reviewed very positively by critics, fans have been a little less blown away by Rian Johnson's contribution to the franchise, which means that there's a pretty big difference in critics' and users' scores for the film on review aggregator site Rotten Tomatoes.

    At the time of writing, The Last Jedi is certified Fresh on the site with a 92% aggregate critics' score, but the audience score shows that just 53% of people liked it.

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    This week, however, a Facebook page called Down With Disney's Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys claimed responsibility for the unexpectedly low audience score, alleging that they used bots to spam the site with negative reviews because they were angry with the film's direction, particularly with regard to its male characters (via The Huffington Post).

    But for those fans of the film hoping that this means a swift turn-around in audience scores is imminent, Rotten Tomatoes has denied that these claims are true.
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    "For Star Wars: The Last Jedi we have seen an uptick in people posting written user reviews, as fans are very passionate about this movie and the franchise," a Rotten Tomatoes rep told Variety.

    "The authenticity of our critic and user scores is very important to Rotten Tomatoes and as a course of regular business, we have a team of security, network, social and database experts who closely monitor our platforms."

    http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/st...enies-claims-last-jedi-scores-rigged-by-bots/
     
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    The outlook will change over time I’m sure.
     
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    That's nice for Rotten Tomatoes, but RT is not the penultimate polling site for movies. Other polling sites with more voters show a radically different result.
     
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    These people down voting the movie out of spite just need to....
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    Not really. In order to be counted as "like" in in RT audience ratings you need to vote at least a 3.5/5 stars or it will be counted as a negative. I read German, French and English movie websites which let you rate a movie and on all these websites the movie is between 3.0/5 and 3.5/5 which means that RT rottenmeter seems to be quite accurate. I think it's funny how people would rather believe some angry haters claiming things on twitter without demanding proof while happily ignoring an official RT rep. Noone seems to ask the question why the angry mob didn't manipulate TFA or R1. If all it takes is a bunch of angry nerds to manipulate your ratings then sure enough there would have been enought TFA and R1 haters to destroy their respective ratings with a similar result. Must be hard to see that a polarising movie usually ends up 50/50 like/dislike...
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    On the top the german ratings on the biggest German movie related website.
    On the bottom you can see the french rating system.
    It's worth noting that the European critics line up pretty well with the fans. (Pressekritiken/presse)
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    Have you considered that they simply didn't like.. or disliked the film?
     
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    Forbes just reports that TLJ box office numbers "are representative of a troubling crash".

    77% drop in box Office.(anything over 60% drop in second week is very bad).

    RT public rateing and box office are compatible.
     
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    You completely missed my point. I am not disparaging RT's poll, just saying there are OTHER polls that show quite a different result. That is all.
     
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    No it won’t. The audience score is still falling, this is ten times worse than Episode I.

    Why are we being shuffled from abusive stepfather to abusive stepfather like this? We have suffered as fans for almost 35 years and counting. I remember when Star Wars was two-thirds good. Then we watched become two-thirds bad in the span of six years, and now within a few years it will be five-sixths bad.

    I wish nothing but the worst for Rian Johnson.
     
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    And I said: For a fresh rating you need at least 3,5/5. On other websites it shows that the average is 3,3/5 and 2,9/5 which means that a significant portion would be rotten rather than fresh resulting in only a 52% fresh rating on RT.

    3,5/5 is a 7/10 and I see ratings around 7/10 all the time on the interwebs for TLJ.
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    Using the same criteria as RT Audience Score (3.5/5 or better is "liked"), the 195,000+ voters on IMDB rate it at 73.1% Liked (7/10 or better), quite a different result from RT. Hence your theory about "all polls in the world show the same thing" appears to be wrong.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt


     
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    Yes and I already adressed this somewhere else in the forum. There's thsi thing called robust rating. My gf does quite a bit of pollig and statistics since she is a neuroscientist. What they usually do is that they leave out the extremes (in IMDB case the 1/10 and the 10/10). The reason is that people voting 10/10 and 1/10 can be considered to be agenda driven. I would recommend you to do that and then you will see the numbers line up pretty evenly since there are almost 3 times as many 10/10 fanboys than 1/10 haters. This 3:1 fanboy/haters ratio is btw another indicator that the "trolls" are vastly outnumbered by the fanboys making it impossible for them to bring down a tomatometer.

    Oh and please don't forget that the IMDB poll is one of the highest rated polls out there. Metacritic, RT, Alocine and Filmstarts look quite different.
     
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    I'm not talking about weighted average polling, I know what that is. I am talking about equating IMDB directly with how RT Audience Score % is determined, i.e. 3.5/5 or better. No throwing out ratings, etc. Comparing them exactly the same way gives quite a different result. Have a great day.
     
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    I see what you mean. As it is it looks like IMDB is the one that doesn't line up with all the other ratings out there. I mentioned a lot of polls indicating that a mediocre rating is more accurate than IMDB's rating results Does the fact that more polls line up with the RT score not indicate that the IMDB rating is the "odd one" compared to all the other polls out there?
     
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    Yes, but spamming and making bots to down vote it is just lame.

    I didn't really like Justice League, so should I spam and make bots to down vote it?
     
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    It could. However I believe you made a sort of sweeping statement about all polls lining up. My point is that IMDB does not, and, the SWNN twitter poll does not either.
     
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    I totally see where you are coming from and I am happy to see that you seem to be someone who tries to look at polls in an objective way rather then bending them to support your personal point of view. But no matter how big of a SW fan I am I have to be objective and look at irregularities in patterns and it seems like IMDB is the irregularity here. I think it's worth noting that the simple fact that there are so many articles and discussions about TLJ suckz vs TLJ rulez on the internet right now shows that it isn't as well received as TFA or R1. We had vocal minorities back when these movies were released but they were just minorities. The trolls have either prepared an elaborate smearcampaign against TLJ of unprecedented proportions (for whatever reason) or their message resonates a lot more with general audiences than it did in the past.
     
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    What proof do you have that it was bots? Rotten Tomatoes claim that their system is next to impossible to manipulate.. and the stories about it being bots could very well be #FAKENEWS a.k.a. damage control from Disney/Lucasfilm.

    All the studios have been trying to outdo and bury each other for money for years.. I find it hard to believe that this would suddenly start now.

    Also.. i've never seen such passionate dislike shown to a Star Was film when it comes to negative reviews (since The Phantom Menace) practically all of them are 20 minutes to an hour long!

    I'm not saying it's bad or good film, i'm still on the fence and have a lot of problems with it.. but it's stupid to assume that this is mostly down to bots. Even Rotten Tomatoes has denied it now.
     
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    Even if its not bots, people are still spamming.
    Someone on another thread had a picture of people giving TLJ bad reviews/ratings on RT on a totally unrelated movie.
     
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    i don't understand the obsession with these scores. it doesn't affect my feelings on the film nor should it affect yours. its a meaningless number just like the score for any other film. further, its not going to affect franchise at all because the TLJ is in the line to be the second most profitable(not counting for inflation) SW film of all time. that at the end of the day is all disney will care about.
     
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