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RT Audience Score Rigged Again

Discussion in 'Solo' started by DailyPlunge, May 20, 2018.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    Just because a reviewer likes a film and gives it a good review doesn't mean the film is Citizen Kane. The Last Jedi, Wonder Woman, Avengers, and Black Panther are all entertaining films that critics and audiences liked. That doesn't mean they're Oscar contenders.

    Also, if a person is complaining about reviews being too good for Black Panther and Wonder Woman and then complains about The Last Jedi it's pretty obvious something else is bothering that person. Based on the link in the initial posts many of these trolls cite the "political agenda" of TLJ. There really isn't one, but I guess some people doing like diverse casts (Wonder Woman, Black Panther, The Last Jedi).
    Do you care to explain why it's funny or do you really believe 43% (down from 47% yesterday) of people want to see Solo?
     
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    All 3 PT movies have higher audience scores on RT than TLJ does. What are you talking about?
     
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    For what it's worth, IMDB purged all of the trolling comments about Solo. There's literally only 4 user reviews. I wish RT would do the same. Looks like IMDB is trying to prevent people spamming a movie before it gets released.
     
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    Also, the PT came out early enough that these sorts of ambush ratings weren't a thing and Rotten Tomatoes didn't even really pick up until much later. (Launched in 98 but was very niche until way later)

    You'd have to REALLY hate or REALLY love something to go back and try to adjust it's ratings a full 20 years later.
     
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    That's really interesting, I wonder if that will actually help or only increase the efforts of those individuals.
     
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    Can anyone point to a website or forum where these 'trolls' would be organizing these efforts? I'm not saying they don't exist, but I just haven't seen any marching orders on social media or anywhere else from even the fiercest haters of the Last Jedi to go rig any polls. I'm not saying they don't influence certain users to do so, but honestly that is a lot of trouble to go through just to try to influence some poll that has potentially millions of users. You would have to create a sh*tload of fake accounts and spend a lot of time. Something that most people are just too lazy to do. This just reminds me that every political election I hear rumors that people are being 'bussed in' from neighboring states to vote in an election. Why don't people even bother to take pictures of these buses, or film them? I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but when you hear it every election cycle and yet don't see an ounce of proof you start to doubt.
     
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    I have seen (not watched) several videos on YouTube about boycotting Solo. I can only assume some of those also mention giving bad reviews. Also would think Reddit would be a logical place to look. Also would assume many of the actors that were doing this for TLJ just are continuing.

    Thought hey why not look on Twitter. Searched on SoloBoycott and latest tweet was this:

    Solo Boycott Update 70% 46% #boycottSolo #MakeStarWarsGreatAgain
     
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    Even without these weird shenanigans (seriously, who has time to spam hate a film that they probably haven't even seen yet?) Rotten Tomatoes is still extremely flawed.

    The way it collects and displays scores (the Rotten/Fresh thing) is atrocious. It's a system designed to be convenient for the review, and not the reader, and that demonstrates a strategy that is flawed from the ground up.

    That, plus... well, I honestly couldn't care less what Cletus down the street thought about a movie. I mean, I guess it's interesting to have this type of information available (even though again, the collection process is flawed) but the general public is just... well, I don't want to sound elitist, but I don't feel a compulsory need to put any value on something just because a lot of people think that way.

    The fact that people try to pass off Rotten Tomatoes as the industry standard for judging a film's quality is just such a strange idea to me.
     
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    Boycotting is something totally different. I don't doubt the boycotts and I watch plenty of Youtube videos seeming to encourage this. But boycotting is a pretty simple act - just don't go to the movie. Hell, get on a rooftop and scream and tell everyone they should not go see the movie. Again, i'm trying to find somewhere (I don't twitter or tweet...and usually only Reddit to go to technical forums for work related issues) where someone is encouraging people to effect the scores with Rotten Tomatoes or any other similar websites? I think something like effecting the score on Rotten Tomatoes would take a major ground swell of support and could not be hidden. You have millions of 'common' movie viewers that go see a movie and get on their phone after it is over and leave a score. To make a dent in that you would have to have a lot of people care enough to have to go out and create new email addresses, new RT accounts, deal with all the captchas and what was your mother's maiden name questions and oh what is your cell number so we can recover your password...and THEN leave a rotten score and review. Who has that time?
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    And yes, I realize the people boycotting could just leave bad reviews without seeing the film. I'm sure that happens, but again, I don't think it is enough to affect things.
     
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    For one thing RT could at least change so that it only uses Facebook accounts. If you kill the facebook account then the review goes away. If you go over to site and click on the user that gave a review the bad audience reviews for Solo are all (of what I checked) dead accounts.
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    Well they dont need to actually write a review. They just create the account and then give it a 0 score. I think it is obvious that they do it since like I said go look at them. Click on these reviewers how many end up with a broken link and how many actually go to an account. I also just noticed a new one that has a special character that would have come from a bot posting the information. A human wouldnt type an HTTP escape sequence character.
     
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    Guys, here's a disturbing thought that just came into my head.

    Could Disney be behind this?

    Could they be deliberately lowering expectations for Solo so they can show their shareholders they beat expectations?

    It's an honest question. I'm not making an accusation, but it does make some sense. Could this really be a way for Disney to show investors that they're exceeding expectations? Or am I overlooking something?
     
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    For one thing RT could at least change so that it only uses Facebook accounts. If you kill the facebook account then the review goes away. If you go over to site and click on the user that gave a review the bad audience reviews for Solo are all (of what I checked) dead accounts.

    Couldn't agree more. Or at least default the score viewed by the general public to that, but then give a slider option to give all scores (non verified) as well, if a user wanted.
     
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    1. Millions of people aren't reviewing movies on RT. At 193,406 audience reviews, TLJ is the most reviewed film on the site as far as I'm aware.

    2. Have you ever created a Rotten Tomatoes account? I'll tell you the fields it asks for. First Name, Last Name, Email, and Password. It doesn't ask you to repeat the email or type the password twice to make sure it's correct. Since the last time I've made one (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) it doesn't require you to verify the email that you signed up the account with. The current Captcha for signing up is an, "I'm not a robot" click box. It's not as difficult as you're thinking.

    3. Steele Saunders made a video last week showing that the number of reviews for Solo on one of the user review websites had around one thousand after the film had only been shown at two Premiers and the total number of attendees for the two events was around 1,500. Clearly people who aren't watching the movie are leaving reviews on these sites (be it positive or negative).
     
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    I think it was really that good. Lots of people did. I don't begrudge you thinking it wasn't. However, you shouldn't, then, state your opinion as fact, either.
     
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    Have also said that fake bad reviews do a great deal more damage to a score then a fake good review does if the movie is a good movie according to real reviews. It is simply math. Say a movie consensus is it is 3 out of 4 stars (75%) a 0 star review will bring average down more then a 4 star review. Of course it is the opposite for a movie that has consensus 1 or of 4 stars (25%). So the fake reviews for TLJ or the Want to See scores currently on RT did more damage. Simply because even if you dislike them they are consensus to be good to great movies.
     
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    Yeah I will be honest with you...I probably haven't visited Rotten Tomatoes more than 5 times in the last 5 years, and usually that is because i'm looking for what DVDs are coming out. It is a terribly designed website and slow as molasses. The bigger story is why anyone even pays attention to these scores. People should grow some thick skin and don't get offended by on-line polls.
     
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    Can I ask a stupid question but how does Solo have any fan rating on RottenTomatoes if the movie doesn’t come out til next weekend? Even if it were 95% or 80% or 23%, who has seen the movie other then the critics at this point?
     
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    It's not a fan rating, it's a "want to see" gauge.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story/

    You go on, and click if you are interested in seeing the movie, or not.
     
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