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RT Audience Score Rigged Again

Discussion in 'Solo' started by DailyPlunge, May 20, 2018.

  1. Bandini

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    The good question is : Why only Star Wars movies ratings are rigged and not other movies like Avengers Infinity Wars ... ??
     
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    It's not rigged it's brigaded by the Youtube channels sending their audience over for the past week. Usually the positive brigaders cancel out the negative brigade effect but evidently there's just not the enthusiasm to do that yet. After the movie is out there will be a way larger sample.
     
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    We have so little data on having Star Wars films every year so there's an element of "I want this to be true to fit some narrative I have." Obviously, you've been pretty upset about TLJ.

    Based on the critic reviews Solo is tracking for $120M for a 3 day opening and a $330M domestic haul. Very similar run to Spider-Man: Homecoming. Is that a disappointment? I'd expect Solo to do less box office than Rogue One simply because it's the 4th Star Wars film in a row. Maybe Star Wars fans will love it though and that could drive up the numbers.
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    Ghostbusters and DC films have had similar issues. Pretty much any film where there's a perceived "political agenda" is getting this treatment.
    This is a theory. It could just be that the people willing to vote 800 times in online polls are aligned when it comes to movie grievances. Most of the "users" on the RT page can't be found so they're probably a lot of duplicates.
     
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    I don't see any ratings on Solo, I just see "Not interested".
     
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    Correct. They can't vote on the film yet, so they're voting for "not interested" over and over.
     
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    Oh my, and here I though that director's goal is to make good movies.

    it's not head canon if it was an actual canon for 30+ years. It's not my head canon that you can't just use a rando star-ship to blow up anything. Audience hated the total disregard towards pillars of SW ethos. The disregard which was intentional, if we are to believe Rian's quotes.

    It's challenging not to notice dozens of factual mistakes and plot-holes. The movie was a usual popcorn flick. There was nothing challenging about it.

    I think the world will be a better place when we don't take others' opinions about movies into consideration. It's easy to say that everything's rigged when the critics love something that you honestly consider garbage. I loved Roz Weston's review of TLJ because it felt raw and true, but he also says that Disney didn't do anything after his outburst. Now he kinda likes Solo and I can believe him.

    The main problem is, as I see it, is that SW has been alive for more than 30 years. If was one thing, with structure and rules. Hard rules. Fans loved living in this world. Right now, the world is just a backdrop for another cinematic universe, and critics probably love it. They want to see crazy new ways of using the Force. But fans want to see the old world they know and love. Right now people like Rian show total disregard towards the works of hundreds of people - and Lucas himself. Just to make a stand. Fans are not overly sensitive, they just care. And critics don't. SW is just a movie after a movie, not a universe. Sure, you can experiment with it, but fans usually want more of the same, and not something totally different.

    Please forgive me my rambling. I tend to get off-topic.

    And yes, one should never care about user ratings. Any gaming fan knows that those are easily manipulated (on Metacritic). Uncharted is garbage for an angry PC-user. Nothing's really different on RT.
     
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    Rigged again? Can only be one cause

    THE DAMN SPIDER-MAN!!!
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    Oh dear.... more phantom plot holes.

    Anyway, this thread is about how people are so upset over a film they're taking it out on a completely different movie. This part of the fanbase is toxic.
     
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    I agree with this. My gut feeling is that Disney does have an road map for SW, and unlike Marvel, they are just giving us little glimpse of it. When Ironman came out, we knew that it will eventually lead to an Avengers movie and from there we knew we'll eventually reach Infinity War, etc. Marvel laid down their plans (Phases 1-3 with Phase 3 will come to a close after Infinity War Part 2 with the 2nd Spiderman movie being the start of Phase 4) upfront and Lucas film hasn't. I personally think the Solo spin-off movie is an odd ball and I do believe thee is a reason and there is going to be a bigger picture for the re-casted Han Solo in the future. Just my feelings.
     
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    Not trying to correct you but the MCU wasn't a big overarching plan from the beginning because Marvel didn't know if Iron Man would even do well. Favreau recently stated that the post credits scene in the film wasn't in the original script and was thrown in as more of an Easter egg. I'm not saying they lucked out in the long run but in no way did they imagine this journey going this big.

    http://ew.com/movies/2018/03/16/iron-man-post-credits-scene-jon-favreau/
     
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    It's not only Star Wars, though.

    DC gets hit pretty hard, too.

    And DC sends their own fans against Marvel's movies for sure (but the numbers on that are definitely a lot smaller).

    Also, don't forget that there was a big scandal with racists and Black Panther just a few short months ago.

    So yeah, the Rotten Tomatoes rigging thing is definitely a thing with other franchises, and obviously it's most prevalent with big blockbusters like Star Wars and comic book films (given their huge ticket sales and unfortunately toxic communities).

    Most moviegoers aren't going to waste their time spoofing accounts to give a bad rating to The Phantom Thread, and movies like last year's The Mummy arguably deserve all the negativity they get anyway.
     
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    I asked Pablo Hidalgo a couple of years ago how far they plan out and he said there's a 10 year plan. Now I'm sure they're not tied to that plan, but there is some kind of plan in place.
     
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    But the last DC movie are just terrible, they just got what they deserved.
     
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    Arguable, sure.

    Nonetheless, you can find evidence in both camps of people urging their "tribe" to attack the other.

    Again, it's why RT ultimately fails as any legitimate source of information. It's more of a meta area of control game than a review site.
     
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    Rotten Tomatoes suffers the same thing that Metacritic has been suffering for years (just see what happened with Company of Heroes 2, Mass Effect 3.. etc), vote brigading. Steam also suffered from that , so at the end they decided to change their system to prevent vote brigading, and it seems is working pretty well
     
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    Star Wars and DC each have a subset of fans who argue that the movies didn't get the critic ratings that they deserved.

    For Star Wars, it's certain fans saying that a 91% critic rating is too high (currently 46% audience rating). Also negative ratings are being added by the dozens even today 5 months after the film has been released and specifying in those posts to rate 1 star instead of 1/2 a star because Rotten Tomatoes filters those results from the final total (allegedly, I don't know if they actually filter 1/2 star reviews).

    For DC, it's certain fans saying that a 40% critic rating for Justice League and 27% for Batman v Superman is too low (currently at 75% and 63% audience rating respectively).

    You can start to see why these metrics are basically useless and have little merit since they can be gamed easily by those with the dedication.
     
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    This may be a dumb question (I know nothing about Rotten Tomatoes) but do these "not interested" scores factor into the real audience score? Do they throw out the not interested votes and start with a fresh audience score after the movie is actually out and people have watched it? I'm wondering if the "not interested" vote really means anything at all?
     
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    There is not only Rotten Tomatoes, that is the same all around the world.
     
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    I don't know, but it doesn't really matter. These same people will be voting against the film once it's released.
     
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    RT is fine, it was never meant to be a source of user feedback, it was meant to collect and measure reviews by the proper media. That's the purpose of the site. Same with Metacritic. The user feedback is just a tacked-on afterthought because it's expected, just like every article on every website now has a FB comment section. No one has been using RT as a metric for user feedback up until about a year or two ago, and only because it revealed how broken that feature was. You have to take it with a grain of salt. The actual purpose of the site is verifiable, the critic reviews are there for you to see yourself, from actual, known, transparent writers who get one vote.

    These kind of opt-in votes for mega-franchises with really rabid fanbases are never worth much value. You really only get a better view of the situation years later when the dust settles and you don't have to worry about knee-jerk reactions and up/down-voting as much, and you get a sense "in the air" of how history reflects on it. Right now fanbases think they have something to prove, for good or bad depending on the situation.
     
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