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SPECULATION Ruthless General Hux in TFA: Precedence from ROTJ Deleted Scene?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by WeWhoSurvived, Nov 17, 2015.

  1. Emperor Abrams

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    Well, I meant Empire, as they still go to follow the order through, but yeah, I suppose Emperor would be more fitting.


    And yeah.....I can't really answer your question, dude. I'm not sure.
     
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    Although it still does not answer Hija’s question, I second that. When TFA was upcoming, I read something promising about J.J. requesting the writers to design a war weary galaxy in a state like Europe after World War II, with lots of old battlefields, destroyed infrastructure and the New Republic and the remnants of the Empire locked in a war of attrition or a follow-up cold war. This would make for quite a moody setting, with backwater worlds like Jakku being far more removed from civilization and growth than ever. A galaxy with lots of opportunities for all kind of criminal organizations.
     
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    And who gave birth to these? Probably the Galactic Empire itself by raising taxes on goods (> increase of smuggling) and hamstering raw resources on behalf of the military built-up (> increase of piracy).

    I would have liked to see a victorious Alliance bring back balance to such conditions. Of course they would have met resistance from the remnants of the Empire and criminal organizations fearing to become redundant. Eventually the Alliance would have been partially forced to apply Galactic Empire means to deal with smuggling and especially piracy.
     
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    How could the deleted scene fit? Well I'm willing to bet that it DIDN'T fit because of a fundamental story issue. This could have become a problem during the editing process. Lucas and Kasdan staffers and editors, specifically from the story team, may have felt that the Emperor's wish to destroy Endor after the shield generator was destroyed could have actually worked. But destroying the forest moon could have negative repercussions on the audience, particularly the younger audience seeing the death of all those innocent Ewoks. It could've been a crazy, crazy way to end the battle, and hard to digest for some of the millions of kids and their parents buying Star Wars toys action figures. And destroying Endor ... just to prove that the Emperor was so evil he would kill his own troops just to kill Luke's friends? We already know he's evil. Destroying Endor would be overkill. Literally. Even if they did go with the destruction of Endor, after its destruction the Death Star would still be vulnerable to Rebel attack. The deleted scene would fit if the rebel assault was chosen to occur after Endor was destroyed, but then there must've been some mechanism via the Rebels to intercept that so it would not occur so Han and Leia don't die on the surface, or they escape somehow. Or kill them, but that's far less likely to end the trilogy on that note. Basically, there was too much going on and they weren't prepared to resolve all the threats and implications surrounding this subplot just to make the Emperor appear just a little more evil.
     
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    But it's cool to think that if the space confrontation was fought in the wake of Endor's destruction, Endor space would be cluttered with small and huge debris leftover from the shattered forest moon. That would set the stage for that same huge space battle to be fought with the addition of all that debris. It would be like the TESB asteroid sequence on steroids. It would make that battle even more interesting and to be fought on an even larger scale, though it would be devoid of the beautiful backdrop of that gorgeous blue-green forest moon. With today's VFX, though, fighting a battle among a moon's debris would be no problem. But back then, in the 1981 to 1983 time frame, that would've been a huge undertaking for the FX people and might not only be costly and unfeasible, but nearly impossible to pull off with great effect.
     
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    ^^ That's a very intriguing concept and I believe you might be really on to something.

    In ANH the Death Star had destroyed Alderaan (which was a placeholder for Earth). I'd say that after this atrocious crime the audience really wanted to see the Death Star destroyed and the first and failing attempts of the Rebels created some extra tension.

    With the second Death Star there wasn't that sense of urgency / retaliation. It merely defended itself from the Rebel attack, but destroying the moon and killing all these Ewoks, that would have forfeited any audience sympathies (although I know a couple of fans that would have applauded ;-).

    Only question remains who was supposed to die on the forest moon. Lando? IIRC, original drafts envisioned Solo and the Falcon not making it out of the Death Star alive. I shall definitely re-read The Making of ROJ.
     
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    What is thats why Vader blocked his blade he didn't want Luke to become like him the reason he let him(Luke) beat him(Vader)
     
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