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Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by Klai Kenobi, Aug 24, 2017.

  1. Klai Kenobi

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    I get why people want to see Vader as the main villain in the Kenobi film, but it just takes too much away from the battle of Mustafar and the way things ended there. Rogue One is the film that should have had a heavier amount of Vader and missed that opportunity.

    As far as Kenobi goes, I think it would be cool if the Emperor had a secret apprentice (His character surely would with Vader literally in a life suit after failing against Kenobi) and he finds out Vader's old master and son, Luke are still alive. The Emperor dispatches his apprentice to kill Obi-Wan and Luke to seize all that is left of Anakin's past?

    The way the Emperor could learn of this is Ahsoka as she is kidnapped by the Empire while infiltrating the Imperial Palace to assassinate the Emperor. She keeps her mouth closed, but her partner (a Mandalorian) rats out Kenobi and Luke to try and save Ahsoka. So, first act sets up Ahsoka's failure to assassinate the Emperor and capture and Kenobi's life on Tattooine. Second act sets up secret apprentice trying to assassinate Kenobi and Luke. Third Act is saving Ahsoka from the Imperial Palace. Vader, meanwhile is sent off by the Emperor to destroy other Jedi purposely to keep him from finding out about his master and son.

    I think this would work canon wise as well because
    A. The Emperor has always questioned Vader's feelings about his past and wouldn't want him to know. He finally tells him in Empire Strikes Back of his son because he is desperate and knows he must sink his teeth into Luke before Vader turns on him or is killed by his son.
    B. His Apprentice could be killed by Kenobi before he/she reports back to the Emperor, so the Emperor doesn't find out about the exact where abouts of Kenobi and Luke.

    The only issue I find is Kenobi would never keep Luke on Tattooine after such an attempt on their lives. They could fix this by Ahsoka sending Kenobi a secret transmission about what the Emperor's up to and to draw the secret apprentice away from where he is? IDK haha the script will be tricky no matter what, so..
     
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    Yeah. I don't think Vader would be a good main villain for a Kenobi movie. It would also rob ANH. When Vader senses kenobi, he says. I felt something, a presense i haven't felt since.... Vader up until then thought he was dead. Then when they finally meet, was really awesome. They hadn't seen each other since Mustafar. I was once but the learner, now I am the master. Classic man. Can't mess with that.
     
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    Totally agree. As much as I want to see Vader in action it just doesn't work here. It would be such a selfish act by Disney to do so. haha
     
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    Putting Vader in this film would be stupid and would completely ruin their confrontation in Episode IV. Who would I like to be the villain in Obi-Wan film? ∅. No one. This film should dig deeply into Kenobi's psyche and putting some kind of goon to face of him would only detract from the film. That doesn't mean that he can't fight anyone along the way. I just don't want any character that would have a major on-screen presence and role big enough to be called "an antagonist." Keep it simple, keep it personal.
     
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    Possibly... though that didn't stop him when Maul attacked.

    I like the idea of a disposable secret apprentice- why not Inquisitors?
     
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    I think that anything related to the Empire should be left out of a Kenobi film. The reason for this is that it gives more credit to the events of ANH. In that film, Tarkin is convinced that the Jedi are all gone and that Vader is the last thing that remains from that past order. Vader himself is surprised when he senses Kenobi so it would kind of ruin the mood if we get a film where just a short time before the events of ANH, Palps already knew of Kenobi and Luke as I'm pretty sure that it wasn't until the events after the destruction of the first DS that Luke's name gained fame and Sheevs agents informed him of a certain ''Skywalker'' who was responsible for the Death Star's destruction. This in turn gives credit to the events of TESB when Sheev informs Vader of his son.
     
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    The Empire is more than just the Emperor and Darth Vader. Its a Galactic wide organization with bases, ships, troops and officers all over it. To use just Darth Vader again would be very lazy thinking, especially as the famous "We meet again at last" line and scene in ANH's Death Star corridor would be ruined and trashed. The scene implies they have not met since 19 BBY on Mustafar.
     
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    Just to throw my 2 cents of Vader in the machine:
    - We can have some Vader in this movie, he just should NEVER approach from Tatooine and Ben, in any case nor any manner. He could be pursuing a surviving Jedi somewhere else in the Galaxy, and have some screen time, but not directly related to OB1.
    - THAT sentence he says in ESB is "I felt something, a presence i haven't felt since...." but he doesn't terminate the sentence, right? In fact, we all assume the end of this sentence is "a presence I haven't felt since Mustafar" but is this the truth? One amazing thing would be that the OB1 spinoff would complete that sentence in a way we don't expect ;) OB1 movie could set up something between Vader and OB1, that would take place between the Mustafar fight and the ANH events aboard the Death Star. Not an effective face-to-face (we all agree this is a bad idea), but better, a sort of close up where they don't actually see each other, but like in the DS, Vader barely feels something, that finally lets him with more issues than certainties. That would enhance the second feeling in ANH when he becomes sure and certain Kenobi is aboard the DS.


    Inquisitors. Very Good! Could explain why no more Inquisitors by the times of OT, as they were up to 8 in 5 BBY.


    Is the reason that Maul was alone, on his own, no more related to the Empire, and was killed here?
     
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    I could see that. I can't find it now, but there was one thread where I laid out a possible Obi Wan film, in which the heroes ended up on Dathomir and Vader and Obi Wan sensed each other, but didn't encounter each other. It also had Ahsoka fighting Vader, Obi Wan fighting Maul (assuming that Rebels episode hadn't happened) and Maul eventually deciding Vader was the greater evil and helping Obi Wan escape, only to die easily at Vader's hand.

    I think it could've been neat.

    Right? I think the idea of Jedi hunters going after force sensitives is begging to be more thoroughly explored than just in a season of an ( admittedly great) animated show.
    Possibly, though that does seem like quite a risk to me. He'd have no way of knowing the Empire wasn't following Maul, if Maul was telling the truth, or if Maul may have had hidden allies. I mean, dude ruled a planet at one point, it's not unreasonable to expect there might be someone else on his payroll.
     
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    I remember when the first Inquisitor was introduced in Rebels season 1, it bothered me, because he was not part of the OT supposed to occur 5 years after. Then the Inquisitor died by the end of season 1, I felt something like "ah, ok , good, that explains no more inquisitor in OT".
    Then we had the followings, and I was more bothered than the first time! Not only were they more numerous, but in addition they were using their lightsaber as helicopter blades! tsss tss...
    But you're right, exploring the force sensitive users attached to the Empire could be interesting. But those helicopters, mama mia...
     
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    Yeah, that episode was fantastic and would've been really tough to ruin... but those Inquisicopters gave it their best shot at doing so, nevertheless.
     
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    Yeah, but Maul wasn't after Luke.. I guess if the Emperor was going after just Kenobi then he would keep Luke where he is.
     
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    No Vader in the Kenobi movie please. Like everyone has said, wouldn't work. Let's see Obi-wan dealing with the loss of so many Jedi and Anakin turning to the dark side. I hope this film isn't afraid to explore some deep thoughts. I want to see him learning from Yoda and Qui-Gon. Maybe put in some western elements because it will take place on Tatooine.
     
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    I agree. Vader doesn't need to be in every movie. It's better to explore how Obi Wan dealt with such tragedy and how him and Yoda communicated about Luke. Their strategy and all that.
     
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    I think it would be awesome if Qui-Gon got a cameo.
     
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    This movie should include young Luke and Yoda and a little bit of Rebels and Stormtroopers but no Vader.It should focus on Obi-Wans tragedy and how he gained the power to dissolve himself and what it means. The story should revolve around Obi-Wan defending some villagers against a bunch of criminals.Just as the seven samurai but he is the lone Jedi.
     
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    I think it makes sense for the movie to jump in time, maybe not have a chronological plot structure, and jump around the 18 or so years he's on Tatooine and intertwine multiple plot points of Luke and his time.

    If not that grandiose of a vision I at least think it shouldn't be anchored down by telling one story over the course of a week or a month. Tatooine has what, Huts, Jawas, Sand People, and Krayt Dragons there's more than enough there to create an interesting movie.
     
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    I know this is far fetched but sometime might lie in Tatooine. Maybe Obi Wan found something about Snoke there as well?
     
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    I'm not too interested in seeing Vader in this capacity either. I would almost prefer if the Obi-Wan movie focused its attention elsewhere and told a side story regarding some adventure he was involved with outside of the main story. I think there is a lot of potential for stories to be told that are truly set apart from the main conflict.
     
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    I think it would be great to see Obi Wan have to leave for one reason or another. It would have to be an extremely important reason of course. But perhaps Rex, and company come to take over his protection of Luke for him.

    Or as I think would work best. And would explain why Uncle Owen dislikes "Old Ben" so much would be that he takes Luke with him on some sort of quest...Perhaps even to begin his training...Luke is injured or nearly dies...Obi Wan via the force wipes Luke's memory of the events, after Owen steps in as his only family and stops Obi Wan from having anymore contact with Luke... Because of this Owen never forgives him, and does his best to keep Luke at home.
     
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