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Seen anything in TFA that disappointed you?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Moral Hazard, Dec 17, 2015.

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Weak links?

  1. Script/dialogue

    12 vote(s)
    19.0%
  2. Direction

    9 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. Acting

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  4. Music

    21 vote(s)
    33.3%
  5. FX/Foley

    5 vote(s)
    7.9%
  6. Editing

    15 vote(s)
    23.8%
  7. Costume

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  8. Fight choreography

    6 vote(s)
    9.5%
  9. Overall Story

    36 vote(s)
    57.1%
  10. CGI

    10 vote(s)
    15.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Commodore

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    @Clach LeOak; I'm not entirely sure if you are truly a bigot or a troll. While the original trilogy was far less political than say, Star Trek, the films often touch on political topics, both ancient and present day. I thought the budding relationship between Rey and Finn was forced to the point of being almost instantaneous, but I'm not too worried about a black leading man and a white leading woman.

    For the record: Muslims are not a race, they are practitioners of Islam.
     
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    @Commodore - wise words and a very nice avatar you chose which reminded me of the spiritual or philosophical element which I was desperately looking for. "Wars don't make one great"
     
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    I went and watched it a third time yesterday after a good sleep and I enjoyed a hell of a lot more than the 1st and 2nd times. Is it better than TPM and AOTC? Absolutely? Is it better than Jedi? In some ways. Does it touch ANH and ESB? No chance. Is it as good as ROTS? Yes.

    What this movie could have done with is a little more quiet moments akin to ANH and Empire. I wanted a scene where Han discusses Luke with Leia which shows wether or not Han holds a grudge against Luke for what happened with Ben. Also, I find it odd that they named him Ben. I always thought they'd have Luke name his own son that after Obi Wan.

    I wish that they cut the quip after Ren smashes the console. That scene was perfect until he made a quip. Sure it was funny but it took me out of the movie a bit.
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    The chemistry between Rey and Finn was brilliant. It's amazing to see a black actor in an action movie who isn't reduced to being like Will Smith and Rey was equally as impressive and not a damsel in distress.
     
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    I was saying to my other half, that if they cut that scene down/out, it would have given more time for character development. There's little time to breath throughout the movie and I think there were times when the audience needed it. Kylo Ren certainly needed it.
     
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    Two things that stuck out for me were the rushed ending and Snoke.

    Ending - I thought they manoeuvred the pieces into play pretty well, but the last third needed an extra ten minutes. Apart from Leia sitting down, the big death was brushed under the carpet. I also felt a bit short changed by not seeing Luke for longer, but that's more the 10 year old in me talking.

    Snoke did not look great. I know part of it may be a result of him being a Hologram, but I expected more from 2015. Was it me or was the look far too generic - Voldemort???

    Last one is the X-Wing Battle - the editing seemed way off. A few shots, a trench run and done.... I wanted to see my man Nunb do some whooping!
     
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    @MysteryBox20; It seemed like Leia and Han knew that Ben was too much like his grandfather, Darth Vader. Leia seems to regret sending Ben away, because they knew there was darkness in him, but they had hoped he would overcome it. Unfortunately for the universe, he does not. What I found interesting, was Han mentioning that close friends to Luke have heard things, but it is almost as though Han does not consider Luke to be a close friend anymore. Maybe there is something in those words?
     
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    In my opinion, JJ messed with the original characters way too much. I did not want to see them take such a dark dark turn. :(
     
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    @JackShephard23; I don't think we know enough about them to decide. We don't know a lot about the backstory of Han and Leia for the last 30 years, and know even less about Luke Skywalker, and his own struggles. Stay tuned for next week.
     
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    It was too much like Ep.4. When Han mentioned that Luke might be looking for a jedi temple, I thought the story was going to get really interesting, but all of a sudden, they are off to destroy another death star? What? You think the evil guys would have worked out by now that death stars aren't that good of an idea, seeing as they get blown up all the time. It made me think of that documentary, "Nazi mega weapons".

    I was totally gutted at Han getting killed, he was the best character in it, someone else said he could have been killed off in episode 8, I think I could have lived with that.

    I spent the whole film waiting for Luke to show up, and by the end was actually thinking that he wasn't going to be in it at all. Big disappointment seeing him for all of 5 seconds. Leia was underused also, with only a few short scenes.

    The pacing of the film was a bit off as well, it started off well, what you normally expect in a starwars film, but the second half just went into non-stop action and never let up. Overall it was an enjoyable watch, and I will watch it again.
     
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    Captain Phasma... what a waste.

    It seemed like there were major plot points missing from her story arc. Which I can only assume must be due to editing. We start off to a great introduction, but any tension between her and Finn really drops dead without her ever really demonstrating her skills as a warrior or source of menace/intimidation. It seemed almost criminal that her part was so inconsequential she could have been replaced by any grunt stormtrooper and I wouldn't have batted an eye.
    But what irks me most is how she both had access and the ability to lower the -planet-'s shields, as well as willingly did so. For a high ranking and battle-hardened captain willing to send off troops to indoctrination camps, to only give a dispassionate "You're making a mistake" (almost not even a threat) is mind-boggling.

    Other aspects I found rushed or questionable (that could have been explained with minuscule exposition):
    -R2D2 somehow having the other pieces to the map the whole time..? Even after C3P0 clearly states he doesn't have anything useful in his memory banks... and coming back to life after Starkiller Base (where the rest of the map was -said- to be) was blown up... smells like someone writing themselves into a corner.
    -Perhaps personal taste, but Rey's too-quick mastering of Jedi Mind Trick.
    -C3P0's red arm. Just why.
    -The information they got from Finn seemed far too great to plan their battle given his position in sanitation.

    I could probably go on until the cows go home with "things they brought up but desperately should have expanded on for context." Mentions of the Clone Wars in the OT could be brushed off, but when little if anything is known about the Republic before blowing it up minutes after it's introduced, that kind of kills the tension (or lack thereof).

    Disclaimer: I loved the movie, and I'll be seeing it again. I feel like they did a LOT right, but felt like they were so close to a perfect rather than just a great movie if the Phasma issue would have been fixed.
     
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    Yeah Phasma was a wasted character.

    Finn having Starkiller info that significant is unrealistic unless there's something I missed in the story.
     
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    Well first of all on race relations I dont get the argument...Star Wars doesnt take place on present day Earth...besides I dont think humans would make that big of a distinction when you got ffing aliens running around. Was the relationship rushed sure but come on if it was some PC Agenda they could have bothered to make Finn Comptent

    Does Script include Plot or is that Overall Story?

    The Music yeah Williams didnt bring it but then I dont think his music fits well with JJs style his music needs time to breathe and JJ went pretty fast.

    The dialogue was too quipy and jokey for me liking with not enough mourning...Han dies no one cares, Republic Core worlds oblitereated no one is sad or pissed.

    Fights better then PT less spinning and twirling but not where I want it we had Christie and The Raid dudes and they didnt get any fights at all come on JJ.

    The Creature CGI was well below ILM Standards...Snoke, Maz and the monsters on the freighter not up to snuff.

    Story a lot was left on the cutting room floor, poor flow, and far too many unanswered questions, not enough screen time for some and poor motivations and arcs for others.
     
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    The whole gang sequence. I guess it was meant as a way to remind us of good ol' scoundrel Han and his good buddy Chewie, but it slowed things down IMO. Could have cut all of it out and just had Han and Chewie reunite with the Falcon and met Rey, Finn, and BB-8 and have been on their way after that.
     
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    The rat things looked too much like something from Star Trek .
     
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    Episode 8 will be great. Rian if you're reading this make 8 better than 7! You got this!
     
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    @Clach LeOak; Islam is an Abrahamic religion, loosely based on the same doctrines (Old Testament) as Christianity and Judaism. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, throughout the entire world. They do not comprise one single ethnicity, but practitioners of Islam are composed of numerous ethnicities. Racism has no place on these boards.
     
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    I was overall pretty disappointed in the movie. I can live with stuff as copying ANH (although I am kinda shocked this is all they could come up with) but for me it has the same problems that a lot of other big blockbusters have especially: Pace of story development and character development. I don't want to be TOLD about certain stuff, I want to FEEL it. When JJ announced they wanted to take the OT-route I thought he meant storytelling and pace and not only puppets. Example (not really important for the film overall, just an example): Rey is offered 60 rations by Unkar. She is excited about this but turns it down because she does not have the heart to seel the little droid. The idea itself is great and could be a very touching moment. My head told me hey this is cool but I just did not FEEL it. Why? Becaus the timing was off. A minute ago she wanted to get rid of the droid. There's just 1-2 scenes missing where they go through something together so that Rey really develops feelings for the little fella. As I said this is just an example for the development problem seen throughout the film. The same happens over and over again in the other relationships: Finn/Rey, Finn/Poe, Maz/Han/Rey/The Force, Leia/Rey and ultimatively: HAN/KYLO. There is no build up. This could have been one of the most dramatic scenes ever. Our legend Han Solo getting killed should have been so much bigger than this.
    Same problem with the battle scenes: in the OT the battles are a story in a story. They go through different stages and are dramatic. You care for everything that happens in the battles. Here: not so much. Just shallow spectacle. For me: LETDOWN!!! Next director please!!!
     
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    Too many to list....
     
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    Have you written a review somewhere? Would like to read it.
     
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    Trying to...but I am so sickened by what has been done to Star Wars that I can't bring myself to do it.

    But in brief.

    A lead that can't act with no charisma

    A villain who isn't scary or threatening

    The stupidity and pointlessness of Finn's character

    A New Hope rehash

    Poor Lightsaber end fight.
     
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