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Sequel Trilogy doesn't have to be better than OT

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by BiggsDarksighter, Jul 13, 2015.

  1. BiggsDarksighter

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    Something that needs to be said is this:

    The new trilogy doesn't have to be better than the OT. It only has to be better than the PT. I don't think there's any danger of that not happening after seeing some of the loving care going into TFA.

    Thoughts...
     
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    I think it needs to be at least as good as OT. Better is bonus
     
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    Interesting. Why does it have to be just as good? PT sets the bar pretty low. The OT has been mythologized to such an epic proportion that it can't be bested in most people's minds.
     
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    Exactly, PRETTY LOW, so if

    OT is here







    ST is here



    PT is here

    its still bad right ? thats why I said at least as good
     
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    In the eyes of the public anything better than the PT will be a success. Although I think ROTS was spectacular, and there is a lot of good that came from the prequels. I have a lot of faith in this movie and I think even the worst case scenerio is that it is regarded as a movie along the lines of Pirates of the Caribbean or the Marvel films. Really fun and exciting, but they don't stay with you very long. At its best I could see something like the Dark Knight or the LOTR, an action movie that strikes a cord with a bunch of people and is also critically acclaimed. It's going to be a box office hit no matter what, the question is about its legacy.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 13, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 13, 2015 ---
    Also get ready for this thread to disintegrate into a Prequel vs Originals Star Wars Civil War.
     
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    How do I put this......
    I'm not much of a Trek fan, but I was really impressed with what JJ did. I liked how it was a homage, reboot, and a continuation of the story all in one. Will Chris Pine ever live up to being Kirk? No. Can MH, HF, CF, PM, AD, and KB live up to playing their respective characters? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. Does the ST HAVE to be better? No. If you are a very nostalgic person then it will definitely be better than th PT. I'm more worried about where things will go after 7. I know this one is going to knock it out of the park. Did my mom drop my brother at daycare to take me to a double feature ESB and RotJ screening, and buy me a Chewie figure on the way home? Yes. Will I get to do that for my son with this new trilogy? You bet your bottom credit.
     
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    Sequels are rarely better than the original. So are you/we setting ourselves up for failure by expecting the ST to be just as good or better? :)
     
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    ^ But this is Star Wars
    This is Disney
    This is J.J
    This is Lawrence
    This is Williams

    this is different :p
     
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    It has to make me care about the story on the screen. That's its only responsibility.
     
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    We hold movie expectations to a very low standard in modern times. We shouldn't go into this movie and be happy if it beat the Prequel trilogy BECAUSE IT WOULDNT BE HARD TO MAKE BETTER MOVIES THAN THE PT. The PT sucked by movie standards - I enjoyed certain ideas/characters & I enjoy ROTS because it's fun not technically good. This was the problem with the success of Jurassic World. This movie was not technically a good movie but the thing that makes me angry was that there was NEVER any effort to make it better than the first Jurassic park movie. It followed basic summer blockbuster formula but it beat some of the other sequels so people are happy with it!???? J.J should go into this film wanting to create a film that's as good if not better than Empire Strikes Back. That should be the standard. Will it be as revolutionary as the OT? Probably not because the OT was a fresh idea that amazed everyone.. But can TFA be as technically good as ESB? OF COURSE IT CAN. We have seen Mad Max: Fury Road achieve this - if J.J makes the effort to make this film better and push the standards of franchised films - this goal is not unattainable.
     
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    Quoted for total agreement
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 14, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 14, 2015 ---
    I don't know Star Wars is a different beast. You just sorta crave it lol. Attack of the Clones to me is like eating at McDonald's. You probably won't enjoy it during/after...but it tastes kinda good and you keep coming back. Though as an aside, ever since I got my first real look at TFA, I can't bring myself to be in to watching the prequels anymore. I still like them I think but they only make me wish I was watching TFA. :p

    I think you nailed it on the Marvel movies though. Very well done, enjoyable for a first or even second watch, but no need to see them again.
     
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    I think they should at least try to be better than the OT. I doubt the ST will be better, though. Maybe certain aspects. There were certain aspects of the PT that I liked better than the OT. But if the ST is as good as the OT, that will be dandy enough.
     
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    ANH was so incredible because it showed us a sci-fi universe that most had never imagined before.

    ESB was a flat out good movie.

    ROTJ was great because it finished the story, not because it was great on it's own. Seriously...A bunch of Ewoks took out a legion of the Empire's finest troops? We SHOULD have expected something like Jar Jar from GL after that. ROTJ wasn't bad, but to give us Ewoks after ESB...Not cool, not cool at all.

    I actually think there is a very good chance that the ST could be better than the OT, though many will never admit it because the memory of the films and watching them as kids is stronger than the films themselves.

    I have watched five of the six feature films in the last two weeks with my son. No single film is actually up there in the top movies of all time based on the cinematography and writing alone. They are a cultural phenomenon because of the emotions we put into them and the FX boundaries pushed by LF.

    The ST is going to be good. For some it will be better than the OT, for others, it will be a letdown simply because they won't be children anymore and will be seeing the films through the eyes of adults.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned it only has to allow me to escape for a few hours and provide my girls with the joy and sense of adventure I had at that age.
     
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    Count me in, as the years go by I don't have the urge to watch the PT again, but I watch the OT regularly every year. (and sometimes IV and V two times)
     
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    I think "better" is such a relative term. Most of us heartily agree that the PT was "better" than the OT, but there are people out there that prefer the former to the latter.

    I'm the type of person who gets easily attracted to "new and shiny." As long as the new product passes a series of subjective tests within my mind, I always want to revisit the new rather than the old. For example, I like Age of Ultron better than the first Avengers; both are decent flicks, but AoU is newer and I'm less familiar with the story, whereas I've seen Avengers Assemble so many times that I can replay it in my head.

    However, this is true only up to a certain point. Once the novelty of "newness" wears off, I can more objectively compare the products. The newest season of GoT was my absolute favorite as it was airing, but now I realize that I liked seasons 2 and 3 much better than 5. I was a kid at the time, but for a while I loved the PT because they were new and exciting, whereas the OT was "old-hat." Once I applied some distance and objectivity to it all though, I realized just how vastly superior the OT was.

    All of this is to say that so long as TFA doesn't utterly disappoint me (and I see no reason to think it will), it will probably be my favorite SW film...for a while. Give me a year and ESB will probably go back to my number one spot. As a whole, I'll have to wait until the ST has been around for a while before I can subjectively compare it to the OT.

    Films are like wine: either they're good enough for now or they only get better with age; the PT was like boxed wine, the OT a very fine vintage. Only time will tell where the ST stands.
     
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    The SW movies are a unique franchise because they are 3 trilogies told in the same universe with essentially 3 different casts for fans to connect with.

    The OT will always be the most beloved because it was original at the time and we all fell in love with the characters and that is the reason for its popularity.

    The other 2 trilogies in theory will never have that luxury as they will never be truly original and it asks you to fall in love with all new characters.

    The ST has a better chance of succeeding then the PT because we are getting a new set of characters with our beloved OT characters looming in the background to keep things familiar. The ST also has the luxury of correcting the mistakes of the PT, so it was able to use that Mulligan to broaden these movies.

    But, that doesn't mean the ST can't be damn good! I'll take that any day of the week.
     
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    Following this thread, the abiding sentiment is that the OT will always be better because it was fresh and original at the time of release. I agree with that, I think.

    But then I look at TFA and worry that so much effort has been put into evoking the feel of the OT that it cannot possibly meet the criteria we all seem to agree makes a movie great: freshness and originality. Fair enough, costumes have been updated and camera work may be more contemporary, but could the ST be so OT it can't possibly be great?

    I have concerns, but I'm not entirely worried....
     
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    I dont even care if its good...

    As long as the things bad about it, are normal bad things... and not off the wall stupid completely illogical bad things.
     
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    If you look at the history of TV shows and movie franchises they rarely get better in the latter years as there gets to be a point where there is a quality drop off because there is only so much you can do with the story and characters where it doesn't feel like 'been there done that'.

    But that doesn't mean it still isn't good and that is the ST could still be really good.

    For example, Mad Men just ended as the first 4 Seasons are as good as a TV drama can be, and the last 3 Seasons are really good but just not as great as the previous 4 Seasons. But it was still worth it as all 7 Seasons were a pretty great run.

    So if the OT is great, and the ST is really good then I'll be happy.
     
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