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Sequel trilogy is just a cash grab + doesn't need to exist. The story has already been told

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by VOODOO, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. Lord Phanatic

    Lord Phanatic This isn't Fantasy, this is Reality
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    Yea. I read it before a while back.
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 5, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 5, 2015 ---
    Something about the ST being more about moral choices so to speak.
     
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  2. Bluemilk

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    Isn't everything about making money? You think they'd make the ST and tell everyone to come see it for free?
     
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    If a sequel trilogy isn't needed, neither was the prequel trilogy or "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi". There is no law that the six films that followed "A New Hope" should have been avoided.
     
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    Come on. If we follow that model then most of the Hollywood movies would not exist, from a certain point of view. (As Marvel, DC, Disney, etc.)
     
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  5. VOODOO

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    After watching The Last Jedi, I stand by my comments of two years ago 100%.

    These movies are little more than cash grabs for Disney that diminish the original films (the victory at the end of ROTJ means nothing) and are disrespectful to the classic characters. They should have been left to ride off into the sunset as here’s then given the fates that they were.

    Star Wars was great because it had a begging, a middle and an end. These new films are unnecessary and feel tacked on.
     
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  6. Pawek_13

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    And that why after the Great War all there has never been any other war in the history of humanity and we've finally achieved peace... If it only was true.
     
  7. VOODOO

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    The classic characters should never have been brought back, as George Lucas said “there is no more story to tell”
     
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    I agree unless they bridge Sidious master into it.
     
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    Title of the thread = I Disagree.
    Simple.
     
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    I agree. A good deal of the story elements for the Sequel Trilogy seemed to be a rehash of the Original Trilogy to me. Not very original.
     
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    And that's why he started writing a story treatment for the sequel trilogy that began with, lo and behold, broken Luke.

    Besides, if he was so sure that there was no more story to tell, he wouldn't have sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
     
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    I honestly don’t mind the “broken Luke” I think it is a fairly logical step. That said I didn’t love other aspects of the character. They wrote Luke as almost a coward...Also, I hated his very predictable death in TLJ. As I predicted two years ago they would simply bring back the classic characters to kill them off in favor of newer far less interesting characters...The rapidly falling box office of TLJ seems to indicate a lot of people agree with me.

    These sequel films should never have been made with the original characters...As George Lucas stated “there is no more story to tell"
     
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    And that sign of falling of box office is what - its low earnings on Mondays? Who goes to cinema on working Mondays (I do, but I like to watch film in silence?) And discussing Luke's cxowardice is pointless - I will say that he isn't one in TLJ, you say that he is, so maybe it's the best to end this discussion. For me watching Mark Hamill getting his long overdue time to shine was worth the price of admission and that wouldn't have happened if Luke stayed on the same mental level as he had been thirty years before.
     
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    The same George Lucas who created story treatments for Episode VII and a sequel trilogy?
     
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    I don't have a problem with Luke doing something terrible. Just about every character in the saga is capable of either becoming a monster or doing something monstrous - even supporting the monstrous behavior of someone else. They are all sentient beings. But there has to be some kind of logic to their action.

    Luke simply deciding to kill his nephew because he sensed Snoke's influence within the latter doesn't really work with his character or his personal history. I think Luke would have been the type to confront Ben about the matter first. If all else fails, then I believe he would have tried to kill the latter. And I believe that is where Rian Johnson went wrong.

    I saw nothing wrong with Disney doing a sequel trilogy. But they haven't really done anything original. "The Force Awakens" is an even bigger example of this than "The Last Jedi". Hell, I liked "Rogue One". But still . . . it simply utilized the Original Trilogy's Rebel Alliance arc as its backstory.

    It's one thing to connect the Original Trilogy with one's movie narratives. Or even the Prequel Trilogy. It's another to literally remake one or two of its movies . . . to the point of utilizing a good deal of its costumes and technology. The whole Resistance-First Order conflict is basically a remake of the Rebel Alliance-Empire story, with many of the costumes and technologies still intact. Can't Kathleen Kennedy and Disney be more original than cashing in on the nostalgia factor?
     
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    If there's a bone to pick, that's the one. How in heaven's name does a character go from standing before the ultimate evil in the galaxy and refusing to turn, all the way to coming within a hair's breadth of murdering someone in their sleep? I just don't understand how that could happen. We're told a little bit of what went on, but we aren't shown any kind of transition from "savior of the galaxy" to "attempted murderer of padawans". The prequels took three films worth of story and exposition to get Anakin to the point of murdering padawans. We're expected to believe that Luke was so afraid of Ben falling to the dark side that he believed he had to kill him. We've already established in the Original Trilogy that Luke does not believe that falling to the dark side is a permanent condition. So... What gives? What happened between Endor and that night at the new Jedi temple to cause Luke to deny everything he once believed in?

    Hope we get an answer someday.
     
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    There doesn't need to be any kind of transition. It's described in the film as an impulse and hasty response, and those are characteristics Luke has showed in previous films.

    Ben threatens to ruin everything Luke did in the OT, the dark side has been dormant for decades and now it's manifesting again, in his own nephew no less. It's more than just Ben having the dark side in him and the dark side being bad, it's what it means for the galaxy at large.

    Also keep in mind that prior to that night Luke although sensed it, didn't fully realize just how much of the dark side consumed Ben. Once he reaches out to search Ben's feelings the realization and shock sets in.
     
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    It really does need some transition. All of the hasty decisions Luke makes in the OT are to save the people who are close to him. He didn't seem to care about the greater galaxy when he went off to Bespin and got his hand cut off. I would assume that Ben would be one of the people Luke holds dear, just like Han and Leia. He would have been willing to do anything, absolutely anything, to save Ben from falling. The only way any of it could possibly make sense to me is if Snoke was tricking him with fake visions, like he did with Kylo and Rey.
     
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    If people want to say the ST is about making money, that's fine.
    But stop using George as some sort of artistic barometer as if he did none of this for money.
    Most of his deals are infamously shrewd and aimed at him making bank.
    His toy deals.
    His refusal to kill off Han in the beginning of ROTJ like Kasdan and Ford wanted.

    It's as much a part of Star Wars as anything else.
     
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    Nearly every movie is more or less about making money. Unless we're talking about the occasional minor film that is released either for "art's sake" or for the movie awards season.
     
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