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Should Alden Ehrenreich have a CG face?

Discussion in 'Solo' started by Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi, Jan 7, 2017.

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Should Alden Ehrenreich's face be CG enhanced with a young Harrison?

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  1. Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

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    After the cutting-edge CG effects of Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One, I was wondering if Lucasfilm would go a step beyond by incorporating Harrison Ford's de-aged face over Alden Ehrenreich in second spinoff film. Personally I think there is a real possibility for this:
    1) Ehrenreich, unfortunately, does not resemble Harrison Ford's Han Solo. To make the SW Universe seamlessly blend together, they will need Solo as recognizable and familiar as possible.
    2) I hear through the grapevine that ILM really wants to do a CG Leia for Episode IX, in the wake of Carrie's death. This would be a great way to push the limits of special effects, which will have implications for other films.
    3) imagine all the positive PR in press releases. (Headline: "Disney attempting something never done before in special effects!")

    Of course, there are drawbacks. A percentage of fans were not convinced with CG Tarkin in his very-brief scenes. It also raises the question why Disney would hire a somewhat expensive actor like Ehrenreich in the first place if they're going to digitize his face out.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    Absolutely not.

    Awful idea.
     
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    This.
     
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    If they did that, then it would be very minimal sort of loike with Ewan McGregor in ROTS.
     
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    Exactly, even if they just CG-ed his nose and cheekbones I would be happy. Alden's eyes look sorta like Harrison's. That's half the battle won there: the most common complain about CG humans is the eyes.
     
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    id think prosthetics would be much easier .
     
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    No! CGI still not advanced enough and perhaps never will be.
     
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    I politely disagree (I won't hit the "disagree" or "pessimistic" button, because I use those sparingly, plus it's rude.) Tarkin shows CG has come a long way, and it is advancing on a yearly basis. If any film saga will be at the forefront of it all, it should be Star Wars.
     
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    Tarkin had 4 minutes on screen and Leia had 10 seconds.
     
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    The technology is close, but still not quite there, which is shown by the split reaction of the viewers. Tarkin and Leia had very limited screentime and expanding their role would inflate the CG budget quite dramatically. Moreover, their scenes were quite static - these characters were standing still, which may suggest that this technolgy is not yet ready to animate faces of moving people. Addditionally, this would be extremely cumbersome for the actor, as he would have to wear a special headgear and special makeup throughout the whole shoot (this would be a first time for Alden to do anything like that.) Moreover, Harrison Ford might not agree to lend his younger self's face for this film - his role in Star Wars is finished.

    If there is a need for Alden to look more like young Harrison Ford, they can just make him some facial prosthetics and apply some modelling makeup. It's way cheaper and easier to do than mocapping the whole film. Besides, it can create some really good results:
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    i have many issues with this, but the biggest one is where do we draw the line. should we CGI donald glover's face for lando? should we CG ewan mcgreger in a potential obi-wan film? at what point can we just suspend our disbelief in the face of 100% accuracy? to quote star trek VI: "just because you can do a thing doesn't necessarily follow that you must do that thing." alden isn't ford and me personally can live with it.
     
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    It is true that Tarkin had four minutes of screentime.... but to be optimistic, that is four whole minutes I was convinced I was looking at the Grand Moff in the flesh! That's a far cry from 2001 when "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" was released, the common consensus was that CG humans will NEVER look convincing, not even for a split second.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 8, 2017, Original Post Date: Jan 7, 2017 ---
    You do have a valid point, but these spinoff films are set at/around ANH time, which is holy ground. If filmmakers take the time and care to make darth vader's mask, cape, and armor look spot-on to the original, one can argue that the same consistancy should be done with famous faces we know and love.

    Ewan McGregor in The Phantom Menace, on the other hand, was completely ok without CG makeup because (besides the fact the technology wasn't developed yet,) that film was set 30 years before ANH.
    I'm afraid some people will look at Alden E. and wonder why he doesn't look like Ford when this is probably less than ten years (my guess) from his first appearance in ANH.
    Personally, I'm fine with it either way, but I don't want people to view our beloved franchise the same way they now view Star Trek once Chris Pine took over in Shatner's role. (To be honest, Star Trek was able to get away with it using time travel.)
    It's a debatable subject, that's for sure...
     
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    IMHO, I go to the theater to see a movie and a story not a nostalgia meeting for lookalikes. If Alden is good nobody will think about Ford past 10 minutes of the movie.
     
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    NO! It's his turn to be Han Solo, let him have it. Han is a fictional character, it's ok if he doesn't look like Harrison Ford forever.
     
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    This. If they lighten Alden's hair a couple of shades and straighten it, plus apply discrete prosthetics, he would look enough like Harrison to cut through initial viewers' resistance. If he does his job well, it wouldn't matter after 5 minutes.

    Maybe CGI it's not yet at 100 % (maybe it never will be), but I bet they are still improving it - as we speak, they might even touch it up for Blu Ray. It is a great tool, but just because they now have it, it doesn't mean they should go crazy with it.Tarkin and young Leia were special cases and maybe even General Leia will be too, but to make the entire movie with actor's CGI face is limiting, expensive and unnecessary. Why hiring Alden in the first place?
     
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    While I liked the Tarkin CGI, I don't want to see it on Alden. This movie is not going to take place all that close to ANH for the look to be that important. Han was around 32 in a new hope. 19 years old seems to be a common age for protagonists in the the SW universe so I figure this movie will take place around 12-14 years before a new hope. As others have said, some make up and prosthetics will do just fine. Not to mention Han's swagger is what makes that character and not his look. If Alden can pull off the Han Solo swagger, then looking like Harrison Ford will not be important.
     
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    I think they should make him look close to Harrison whenether they can, CG included.. just as long as it isn't noticeable.
     
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    Prosthetics with some possible minor CGI touch ups. Full face replacement is an awful idea. Just get Anthony Ingruber at that point.
     
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    Cantina people are polite and civilised.(obi-wan 4) (in contrast to youtube/ facebook etc.) . thumbs up for that.:cool:
     
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    No need for cgi. If they cgi Alden then they would have to do the same to Donald Glover if they are trying to make them look like Ford and Williams respectively.
    I'm an old school Star Wars fan and have no problem with Alden and Donald as Han and Lando. In fact I look forward to their take on those characters.
     
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