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Should Disney Erase the ST from Canon? (Wait, it's not what it sounds like)

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SegNerd, Jul 2, 2020.

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  1. SegNerd

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    I know it would probably be a troll thread if I asked whether Disney should erase the ST from canon. But here's the thing: It's not me asking. It's Lucasfilm. Maybe.

    There are multiple rumors - for example, this video and this video - indicating that Disney is contemplating the possibility of decanonizing the ST, likely to coincide with the end of Kathleen Kennedy's leadership. The rumors also indicate that Kennedy's relationship with Lucasfilm is already disintegrating quickly.

    I know that there is no proof these rumors are true, and I'm not suggesting they are facts. But I have to say, a lot of the claims in the videos sure make a lot of sense to me, and I personally would be happy to learn they are true.

    Has anyone else heard any rumors about erasing the ST? What do you think about them?
     
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    I usually treat YouTubers like Midnight's Edge and Thor Skywalker with massive piles of salt on the rare occasions I do watch their videos. Even I find their vitriol towards the ST hard to stomach at times (which feels a little hypocritical to say). And while I haven't and probably won't watch the videos you recommend - if only because the topics covered aren't new at all - here are my thoughts on it.

    On one hand, de-canonizing the ST is a good move. Not because I don't like it, but because it allows Lucasfilm to play in a larger sandpit with fewer limitations. You don't like Ben Solo? Well, here's Jacen and Jaina Solo instead? Or how about a new, THIRD idea for a Solo child? And it's not like it would have to be a brutal, callous sort of move. They could "retcon" earlier movies by saying it was it was C-3PO or R2-D2 telling Finn and Rey's/Rose's/Jannah's some new character future child(ren) a bedtime story, but now they're old enough to hear what REALLY happened. Logan pulled a similar move in order to acknowledge the past but still state that it had no place in the current story.

    On the other hand, that would tick me off. Disney didn't want Star Wars to be like the comics of Marvel and DC, where there's a cosmic "reset" button every ten years or so. They didn't want Star Wars to be like the Lucas Era, where fans could pick and choose what they deemed canon or not. They wanted one, continuous story that held true to its own standards and continuity. And on some levels they messed it up; now it's time for Lucasfilm to deal with that.

    So do I think they'll reset the ST or erase it from canon? Probably not, or at least not all of it. More likely the new head of Lucasfilm (whenever they arrive) will decide that they're "excited to forge forward in new directions," or something similar, and tell stories concurrent to the ST that have little to do with it. That will effectively overshadow the ST, and when that is said and done, who will remember the original?

    But in the end, who can say. This year has been so crazy as it is, I could see almost too many things happening and NONE of them being the actual truth.
     
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    blast posters who gain clicks from posting trashy reddit rumors with no sources or worse, from discredited sources.
    Midnight's Edge had a decent run when the big Sony leaks happened but they didn't really have any inside info outside of those leaks. (Which weren't exactly exclusive to them or anything)

    They know this will rile up a certain subset of fans and get them frothing again because there is nothing else to Vhlor about right now
     
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    This is not happening.

    Full stop.

    People claiming otherwise are trolls, conspiracy hawks, and clickbait conmen.
     
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    No, that's not happening. Period.
    Here are some reasons why:

    1) Star Wars has always been built around movies. When it comes to canon, movies always came first and trumped everything else. It's the foundation of Star Wars.

    2) All of the Prequel hating did not make said movies go away. I know, that everybody has conveniently forgotten about that, but at the time Prequel bashing was everywhere and somehow that didn't make said movies be erased.

    3) A lot of money comes from selling SW merchandise. You don't just say to people, who spent hundreds of dollars on merch, that it is now irrelevant. Plus, don't forget the super expensive Galaxy's Edge, also set around the ST.

    4) Disney has made a ton of effort to ensure, that all of the new comics, books, video games etc. are interconnected and set in a consistent universe. If they erase the ST, a lot of that would have to be thrown out as well, with all people's hard work. And now they would have to make sure, that everyting is consistent with the "new ST".(Yes, I know about the old EU, but it wasn't made by Disney).

    P.S. Erasing the "bad" sequels and continuing straight from the "good" movies was something a certain franchise attempted quite recently. It didn't end well.
     
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    I can't imagine this will happen. Lucasfilm and Disney have invested a lot in the ST and erasing it would be seen as admitting the ST was a mistake which is not something they believe. This seems more like click bait.
     
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    Yes, and here's the thing - why would Disney view ST as a mistake? Each of those movies made more than a billion at the box office. As for internet hate, well, "nobody hates Star Wars more, than Star Wars fans".
     
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    Well, the Transformer films made so much money, until the general audience had enough. Bubblebee was a reton. I wonder if the recent negative talk regarding the Rise of skywalker, a confused mess, maybe they're in talks of a reton as well. Hopefully, next trilogy is well thought out, but as long as KK is in charge I think the sequel trilogy is safe... if she were to depart who knows what would transpire. Talks of Favrou and Filoni taking over but those guys are creatives. I don't think they would actually take on that mantle. Star Wars is a loved IP no one including JJ would assume that task, although most might dislike KK she here till she decides it is over...
     
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    There is absolutely no way Disney is “erasing” the ST - the movies exist and always will whether we think they are the greatest movies of all time or a scourge upon the earth.

    Will “canon” change over the years? For sure. IMO “Canon” is a marketing trope meant to appeal to and draw in the more “hardcore” fans of any franchise or IP. I think the vast majority of SW movie and tv viewers mostly could care less about “canon” - the majority of the audience just want to be entertained and wowed for a few hours. Disney is ultimately trying to appeal to the largest audience they possibly can because that is what is most profitable for them. If it’s financially beneficial to Disney, they will punt “canon” in a heartbeat.

    Is Disney 100% happy with where the SW franchise is right now? Probably not, but the financial results have still been very strong overall. Disney logically is looking for ways to increase the revenue from SW and are testing the best way to do that - whether it be through tentpole movies, Disney+ series or some combination.

    “Canon” will survive as long as it is viewed as the most profitable path forward. Erasing the ST from canon after each movie (ex-Solo) grossed over $1B and successfully introduced an entire new cast of (diverse) core characters makes little to no financial sense right now. Disney can milk revenue from Rey, Finn, Kylo and BB-8 for years to come even if there are no more “Skywalker” movies.
     
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    I just fear that Star Wars will turn into the Pirates of the Caribbean... that would be a shame. I hope they don't run this beloved series to the ground, pun intended... just to make a few billion dollars...
     
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    I think some folks just need to make their peace with this trilogy and move on. There’s plenty other equally frivolous things out there to sulk over.
     
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    Ok, as form of "therapy", let us actually consider this. So, Disney actually decided to erase the ST. What exactly is going to happen next?
     
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    They make more movies.
    People throw temper tantrums because it's now proven to work.
    More people are harassed over a movie about space wizards for kids.
    They scrap that and make even newer movies.
    The people throw even more temper tantrums because it's now proven to work twice.
    Even more people are harassed over a movie about space wizards for kids.
    So they make even more new movies....
     
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    Erase the other two trilogies and start the whole thing over with Zack Snyder. RELEASE IT, DISNEY!! YOU COWARDS!!!!
     
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    Why erase a great trilogy like the ST?
    So many great characters were created and so many cools differents Worlds too.
    It doesn't make any sense to erase them.

    People have 3 trilogies and 2 stand alones movies (plus the ewoks movies from the 80's) to rewatch and not all of them will please everybody.
    Ignore what you dislike and rewatch what you like, and move on.
     
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    To think the YouTuber wasted hours out of their day writing this blast to and it sounds like some bought it hook, line and sinker.
     
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    No.
     
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    I'll give a different answer than a yes or no: It doesn't matter. What I mean is that Disney had their chance to bring back Ford, Fisher and Hamill once again after 30 years and that window has closed after Fisher passed. Let's just say the ST was vanquished by Disney, Ford ain't coming back, Fisher can't come back, and Hamill would never come back unless the 3 were involved.

    Whatever you think about the ST, Disney chose to use Luke, Leia and Han a certain way (some loved it, some hated it), but we had a one shot deal with them and it's finished. They can erase the ST, but they can't bring back Luke, Leia and Han ever again (I mean the real actors), so this is sort of mute point.
     
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