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Should Disney Erase the ST from Canon? (Wait, it's not what it sounds like)

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SegNerd, Jul 2, 2020.

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  1. The Hero With No Fear

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    Hmmm... two Fandom Menace Youtubers are reporting on an unsubstantiated, BS rumor that perfectly aligns with their views? Whaaaaat?

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    Sarcasm aside, I cannot stand misinformation and that’s blatantly what this “rumor” is.

    I’m a guy who, despite really enjoying TFA and TLJ, am pretty iffy on TROS and thus the Sequel Trilogy as a whole. That being said, I still accept them as a part of the story and focus on the parts that I did enjoy. (Like I said, 2/3 of the trilogy were hits for me.) Whatever reasons you may have for wanting this to happen, there are a billion more reasons why LUCASFILM, not Disney, will never decanonize these films.

    For starters:
    • Each film made over a billion dollars! (I could honestly stop my list here.) Not to mention all of the accompanying merchandise with each film, as well as the home releases.
    • The Sequel Trilogy raised the overall value of the Star Wars brand.
    • Kids love the characters. They probably know Rey, Kylo, and BB-8 better than any of the OT or PT characters.
    • It’s already been embedded into the lore. An entire show takes place before and during the sequels (granted, not a lot of people would miss Resistance if it were decanonized...) plus the Battlefront 2 campaign and tons of books and comics. Not to mention all of the references, easter eggs, and parallels to the sequels that have been present in others stories. (Like the scene with Anakin facing down the Separatists in TCW S7 or Baby Yoda healing Greef in Mandalorian.)
    • General audiences liked the movies, even though some polling sites don’t reflect that because of bots and review bombing. (Cough, Rotten Tomatoes, Cough.)
    • Two of the three movies were critically praised and the third was seen as only average by the critics.
    • Let’s stop pretending that The Force Awakens wasn’t a cultural phenomenon when it came out. It wasn’t until some of these Youtube hacks started making videos about why it was the WORST movie ever and how Rey is a mArY sUe that people stopped praising it.
    • People would stop taking canon seriously altogether. I mean, two major canon relaunches within the same six years? That’s ludicrous. Besides, a lot of these people complaining about canon will then flip to the other side and complain about the Story Group not maintaining consistency and rag on “Disney” for not standing with their products or something like that.
    • Big middle finger to all of the cast and crew who worked hard on these films.
    And those reasons were just off the top of my head. :D
     
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    While I don't believe this rumor, I went through this 'Dr Doomcock' history of videos, and I was suprised that he nailed ALOT of Episode 9 spoilers before the movie came out. Now I don't know if they were published somewhere in Nov/Dec and he was just referring to that, but he said that Rey will take the Skywalker name at the end of the movie. He said there would be no explanation of how Palpatine came back, and said that Kylo meets him early in the movie. He said the macguffin was a Sith Wayfinder. The only rumor he got wrong was he said that the Luke/Leia flashback scene did not make the final cut, but he still knew about the scene so it makes me wonder where was he getting all of this information?
     
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    All on reddit my dude. JediPaxis of r/starwarsleaks (and some other people) had essentially all of the details about The Rise of Skywalker months before it came out. I’m sure Mr, ahem, “Doomcock” probably repeated what he said.
     
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    Thst makes sense as I figured the spoilers spilled somewhere. We’re the reddit spoilers close to the final cut? Who are their sources as it’s has to be someone close to the movie?
     
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    All we know is that Bad Robot is atrocious at keeping things under wraps. Similar leaks happened with TFA, but not to this extent.

    The reddit spoilers were dead on. Some things changed, but it mostly followed his outlines to the letter. I even think that he reported on the Luke and Leia flashback sequence being taken out and then put back in like you mentioned. The only things I remember from his leaks that didn’t end up in the final cut was the Knights of Ren not dancing around Kylo’s reforged helmet and Luke didn’t speak to Leia about “one final lesson” before her death.
     
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    Okay, this has gone off the rails.

    I had never heard those rumors before, and I was also not aware of those bloggers not being credible. This seemed like new info to me, which I admitted might not be true, and I thought people might want to hear about it since I didn’t see any other threads here.

    I’m going to ask for this thread to be closed or deleted.
     
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    For enough money Hamill and Ford would come back. Leia would have to have died offscreen before the events of the movie. It's definitely doable. I doubt they will do it, but I wish they would. I'd rather have another shot at a continuation of the OT than settle for the ST.

    Strongly disagree on this. More kids know Kylo Ren, BB-8 and Rey better than Darth Vader, R2-D2 or Luke Skywalker? Or Yoda?

    TFA didn't need youtubers to get recognized as less than spectacular. I don't think youtubers can influence people into disliking a movie that they like. But, for the sake of argument, if someone liked TFA and did watch some youtube video criticizing it and changed their mind, why is that bad? Aren't people entitled to change their minds? Can't they find an argument persuasive? It seems like you want to invalidate criticism of TFA by saying that people were tricked into disliking it.
     
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    This can happen, why not? My little nephews, who are unquestionable Star Wars fans by now, love the Prequel era stuff (the Jedi, clone, droids etc.) and they love the ST stuff (the First Order primarily) due to my Lego collection. They they haven't heard about Luke, Han, Leia, Darth Vader or the Empire yet.
    Unlike us, the modern kids have the entire Saga available to them from the get go. I don't see how Rey and Kylo Ren would be less important to them, then Luke or Anakin.
     
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    You know what I would always appreciate the ST for? Resisting the urge to make Luke a superhero in the age of superhero blockbusters. They could've made him this perfect hero who did nothing wrong; since the events of ROTJ, but they didn't.
     
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