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Should Finn have died or not????

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by jwickjedi, Dec 17, 2017.

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    I mean Finn is my favourite character of the new trilogy, but feel that it would have added more weight to the film if Finn or Rose would have died, leading the audience to believe one and then the other was/had sacrificed themselves then having them both survive for me just a bit off.
     
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    RJ likes his "surprises" and plot twists and misdirects. I swear someone challenged him on how many he can squeeze into one movie. That alone was quite a feat for TLJ.

    I think it was an attempt to add gravitas to what Finn and Rose were doing. I mean, without it, they would just have gone for this mission for absolutely nothing. Instead we got a line from Rose that doesn't quite make sense, because ordinary people can't foresee the future with the Force, but that some can take home with warm fuzzies. Then again, maybe Rose has that spark too. Some people talk about how many SW character have amazing plot armor, well, this was giving Finn a shield to deflect all the questions like "How do you feel about your character accomplishing nothing in this movie?" answer "Wait a second... there was that line Rose told me, which led to that awkward kiss and me tucking her in... now that's something! You'll just have to watch Ep9 to see where that leads. (I can't wait too because I was at a loss on how to act that out because it really felt weird to me too. Oh, thank god I'm thinking this and not saying it... filter - check. Smile and look knowing)".

    I'm sorry, but his whole arc in TLJ felt like he was an afterthought. Maybe like Poe he was initially written out and killed early in TLJ, or maybe the writers just forgot about him and once they realized figured they had to fit him in somehow.

    To me it looks like the writers knew Finn's plot was weak, so him dying was what would give it merit. Then RJ put his foot down (Geez, JJ will kill me if I do this too!) and told the writers he wanted a better option, which is when someone came out with Rose's line. It might be worse than Han stepping on Jabba's tail, but at least Finn isn't dead for JJ.
     
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    No he shouldn't have died and I feel that overall, people (me included) are little bit harsh on Finn's arc in TLJ. I understand the disappointment and I have more or less the same feeling. But after rewatching TFA and taking these two movies together, curiously I find his arc to be quite solid in fact. Compared to Rey and Poe where TFA goes to the right and TLJ swerves hard on the left, Finn steadily switch sides from the First Order to the Resistance.

    Him going all kamikaze at the end of TLJ is a demonstration of his total implication to the cause now : if it was up to him, he would be dead by now. Except that his journey is not finished : there is a war to win and people are looking up to him to win it. I'm quite excited to see where it goes in the next movie, even if its true that his plot in TLJ was not the most exciting.

    By comparison, Rey's arc is a mess right now. Her journey is highly personal and we don't see how she fits in the grand scheme of things. But I believe Finn is super important to Rey and just for that, he shouldn't have died.
     
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    Finn's story is stronger than Rey and Kylo's. It's the only one that is original. The problem was Rian Johnson having a hard on for a whiny bad boy. He wanted to write excuses, and create Reylo instead of expanding the Star Wars galaxy. Rian made Star Wars smaller.

    If Rian dedicated 20% of his brain cells to Finn's story it could have really opened up the galaxy. We could have found out some of the planet's or star systems the FO has been taken children from. Perhaps found out something about the Stormtroopers families, but no. What we got was the weakest story for the most original character.
     
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    Finn has more potential to be ground breaking and interesting for certain, but so far the creative minds working on the ST haven't bothered to scratch the surface. It's a missed opportunity.
     
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    Finn should of killed rose off and done us all a favour.

    But yes, actually would have been the best part of the ep, and would have been a catalyst for Rey in the final film.
     
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    No way.

    Then there would be no chance of seeing him reunite with his long lost father Lando Calrissian in Episode IX.

    "Finn Calrissian"

    I really like that idea for some reason.

    Hopefully I can keep myself from throwing a fit if it doesn't turn out to be true.

    Fingers crossed.


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    Poe would've been devastated if he went this way.
     
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    We'll have to wait and see what he does in IX, to see if it was worth keeping him alive
     
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    Why are so many of you eager to kill off Finn? I've read many of these posts and it occurred to me that none of them really make any sense. They seemed to ring of wishful thinking.

    Finn's story isn't even over with. No one knows from where he came. Finn doesn't even know his real name. Both he and Rey are at the same point in their story in which they know nothing about their pasts . . . not really. Not after two films. So, why are some people so eager to kill him off after two films?

    How does killing off Finn give him depth? That makes no damn sense to me.



    I did not want Finn to die. Hell, I'm glad that he is still alive. But I hated that damn scene. It was another example of Rose's condescending actions toward Finn. And it almost made me dislike her. I hate Rian Johnson for his condescending portrayal of Finn.


    So . . . Finn or Rose had to die. Two out of three people of color protagonists in this story. Why not Rey or Poe? Frankly, Johnson should have killed off Leia. He and Lucasfilm had a year to do it, following Carrie Fisher's death. And now, this saga is even more screwed up.
     
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    Because the film made the biggest effort to show Rey as a successor to Luke and Poe as a successor to Leia.

    I like Finn, but I can't deny at that point in the film, he and Rose were less consequential to the ongoing narrative.
     
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    Haha, pretty much the polite way to say that even Finn fans were so pissed at how uneventful and badly used Finn's screen time was in TLJ, that they may as well just have killed him off. TLJ was where they should have done something interesting for Finn, instead they did... we know what they did. Now with one movie left he's an after thought. I'm sure JJ will try and bring relevancy back to the character, since he created him and understands the coolness probably more than RJ did. I just don't think RJ got Finn. I think RJ was so focused on the Rey/Luke/Kylo story line that Finn took a back seat in terms of exploring his development. Essentially losing a movie in a trilogy will make it hard to make Finn relevant again.
     
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    Now really. I've brought this up in other threads how Finn could be relevant again in Episode IX.

    1. With Luke (minor Force ghost), Leia and Snoke gone, Finn will be at the most, the third most important character.

    2. There will be a time skip, so a lot of Finn development that the writers are too lazy to do, can happen offscreen.

    3. Leia's gone, so Poe will be more in the background and less on the front lines, leaving more for Finn to do.

    4. No more flight or fight storyline for Finn. TLJ killed it.

    5. The heroes have all been reunited.
     
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    Finn will not die in IX. Not sure if this has been posted, but KK says they are planning the next 10 years of Films and we will see Rey, Finn and Poe beyond 2019.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...edy-teases-more-rey-finn-al-post-2019-1054438

    I think that’s why Disney and LFL aren’t as concerned with TFA and TLJ not having a time jump and growing the characters too much. IX was supposed to be the Leia chapter where she spends time mentoring Rey just as Han and Luke did in the last two films. Rey will be the custodian of the Skywalker/Solo Legacy, but now with Carrie gone, I believe Luke will play a bigger role as ghost mentor. Not having to provide screen time to Carrie means more of Finn and Poe and possibly new characters.

    To me, Finn is setup to grow into the Han Solo role. While Poe will be the Leia, maybe even getting into politics. Rey will pass on the Jedi teachings as the Luke role.
     
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    So true.


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    That's your reason? That's it?

    I've read several articles that Daisy Ridley has no desire to continue with the Star Wars franchise after Episode IX.
     
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    That's as good a reason as any.
     
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    I will say there was a moment that I was finding myself in the theatre holding my breath and ironically quoting Finn in thinking "are we really doing this?" i think now after Rogue One and seeing that the franchise is fine with ending main charters in a sacrifice it was a possibility (yes I know RO was self contained and needed to tie everything up)

    I was like ok cool he is no longer the coward and is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to save Rey and all he cares for. hell he even gave the Beacon to Poe before going under cover. I took this as he had a feeling he might not be coming back.

    That being said I don't know if I wanted him to die, again it would be his full circle but then i love John B and his performances so he would have been sorely missed. Rose saving him last minute was a bit of a stretch, but not sure how they would have gotten out of that one? plus if Finn would have succeeded that would have been it. because a cannon like that exploding if it was concentrated death star tech would have killed EVERYONE in the explosion. maybe?

    I love Kelly Marie Tran, and I think there was potential with those two and their chemistry. But i think the writing was trying to hard to go "Hey audience they are finishing each others sentences there is going to be a romance" cleche going on. it wasn't as fluid as the friendship introduced in TFA between Finn and Rey, but it wasn't bad.

    anyway I am not torn to much, i just wanted to see Finn and Phasma fight longer, but that is for another thread
     
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    I guess I'm one of the few that really liked Finn in this movie, and also Rose. I only realised how much I was liking him in this movie when I thought he was going to sacrifice himself, glad he didn't.
     
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    So you are saying the writers were biased based on how they wrote the script. I agree with that.
     
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