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SPECULATION Should Star Wars Fans be Concerned?

Discussion in 'Benioff & Weiss's Film Series' started by DailyPlunge, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    I have to admit after thinking about this for a couple of weeks I'm not really sold on this pairing. Game of Thrones is a huge hit, but David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are simply producing a story by George R. Martin. I'm a fan of Game of Thrones but over the last two seasons there's been a noticeable dip in quality. This also coincides with the fact the show has past Martin's books.

    This is a valid question: Do Benioff and Weiss have the creative chops necessary to make a successful Star Wars series?

    I hope we find out that Benioff/Weiss are paired with some creatives with a proven track record because at this point I'm not sold that they're the right choice for an original Star Wars series.
     
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    Writing an original screenplay is a lot different than adapting a book to a screenplay, I agree. But I don't think that the quality of GoT decreased after they could no longer base their work on GRM's unfinished book series so I'm pretty confident they will do just fine.
     
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    Obviously there's no accounting for taste. I forgot to add to the original post that the last two seasons haven't been as critically acclaimed. There's a theory that this is due to the show being past Martin's books.

    My personal opinion the last two seasons are kind of a mess starting with the Snow cliffhanger misfire. I think it'll end well, but that's mostly because Martin has it mapped out.
     
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    Well the constantly growing number of viewers and online ratings would disagree with you. So yes, obviously there's no accounting for taste.
     
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    They were still beholden to GRRM's work that he wont finish so they have to work off of notes and general ideas while still trying to finish this story.
    It's not on them
     
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    So you think turning notes into a useable script is not a challenging task?
     
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    I think it's incredibly challenging when you have to work to a TV show schedule to finish another person's story when they are dragging their feet in finishing a story and also delivering a story that satisfies most fans.

    They have to wrap things up. GRRM hasn't wrapped up a damn thing so yeah, it feels a bit rushed on their end. But hey, they can't keep delaying the last season+
     
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    See? This is why you shouldn't worry about them. Even under pressure and with a lazy bum like George to take care of they are doing a fantastic job :) So the live action series should be fine.
     
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    "Difficult to see, the future is."
    What ever this may turn to be, It'll be good.
    And this comes from a, currently, non-watcher of GoT.
    My thoughts are ... these two fellas are fans.
    Just like all'a Us.
    Like Rian, like Gareth, like J.J., like Dave.
    Three fans and a student of Mr. Lucas.
    and what've been shown so far from them ?
    Stellar stuffs.
    I don't believe David and D.B. would wanna do any less than the previous.
     
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    I like Game of Thrones. It's a good show, but there's been quite a bit written about how the show's quality has decreased. You of all people should appreciate minority opinions. The good news for Game of Thrones (unlike a show like The Walking Dead) is there is an end in sight. People are too invested in the main story to quit watching. I know that's the camp I'm in, but the last season was a slog.
    This is a good point. Ultimately they're telling a slightly different story, but it's still GRRM's story. I'm hopeful that there's a improvment in the last season. GRRM has had an ending in mind so that might help them.

    Part of the issue with the show is that they've kind of tipped their hand when it comes to where the story is going. After the Snow resurrection (that everyone saw coming) there's no fear he'll die until the end. Same with Dragon lady whose character has really suffered the last two seasons. Anyway, I'll stop bashing it. Game of Thrones on the whole is a fantastic show that's been great.
     
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    Here's the thing. Contrary to you I like to base my oppinion on metacritic websites because of their large sample size. While I do occasionally browse through reviews of professional critics, most of the time they are nothing more than the opinion of one individual and given that taste is subjective, chances are that I do not agree with them in some aspects.

    However, Metacritic websites show a greater sample size so the rating becomes much more reliable than the opinion of a single individual. Does this mean that I always agree with audience ratings? Well certainly not. But I do find myself more often in a position where I agree with audiences more than I agree with critics. Many critics are under the impression that some genres of film are more sophisticated than others. We all know what a typical "Oscar Bait Film" looks like and what kind of characteristics a movie needs to impress professional critics. These films might get prestigeous awards but I often find them to be pretty boring.

    When it comes to TV shows like GoT metacritic websites are a perfect way to observe if audiences stuck with the show through mutliple seasons and how their perception of the show changed from season to season. You can see the ratings of shows like the Simpsons constantly decreasing while GoT constantly had fantastic ratings without a decline in quality according to thousands of loyal viewers. So yeah, I appreciate the time you put into researching and posting the articles above but as someone who lvoes statistics I will always prefer a metastudy analyzing multiple data sets over a singular data set.
     
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    It didn't take very long to do the research. The "quality is decreasing" is a perception that is out there. Obviously not everyone agrees, but some share that opinion. Speaking of Metacritic, the two worst seasons for critics have been the last two and the audience score is down. This is in line what what I've said. I still like Game of Thrones, but the quality has suffered the last two seasons.
     
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    The finale of the last seaso had the most viewers in the history of the series and RT for example scores them higher. If the quality has suffered than it isn't reflected in the number of viewers. On IMDb the average rating for season 7 was 9,2 while the rating for season 1 was 9,1. On RT the first season had 89% in season 1 and is now at 95% at season 7. Metacritic was literally the only review aggregator I could find where the quality decreased. Btw we are still talking about a TV show with fantastic ratings in season 7! So to wrap this up I still don't see any reason why fans should be concerned in the slightest.
     
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    What is there to be concerned about since they most likely haven't even started working on anything. Although, you can check their (potential) next project to see what kind of ideas they might come up with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_(TV_series)
     
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    Two things to consider with the perceived "dip in quality" in recent seasons of GOT:

    1) I love the unpredictability of the earlier seasons, but that can only last so long. If that continued throughout the duration of the series, we'd see Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Daenerys all dead before the end with Rickon ascending to the throne due to the fact that he was the only nobility left in Westeros (assuming in this universe, he actually survived). Game of Thrones may be subversive, but they still have to tell a story. The closer we get to the end, the closer things will likely start to feel more familiar, or risk being horribly alienating. It's one thing to kill off your main protagonist in the first book, or even in the third. It's another to do so 80% of the way in, leaving little room for those left to really get endeared to the reader/watcher.

    2) A Dance with Dragons and a Feast for Crows (or, roughly season 5 of the show) are generally regarded as the worst of Martin's two books. We don't know how the next final ones will go yet since they're apparently deviating from the show- but with such a weak jumping off point for D&D, I can't help but sympathize.

    I'm excited to see them stand on their own with something as epic as Star Wars. Sure, they're not a guaranteed hit, but I think they're capable of greatness.
     
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    Very good points here and it's why I'm not exceptionally worried. Some of my issues with the latter half of the story are due to how the story has been told and that's ultimately on GRRM. That aside, I'm curious how these two will do with an original story. Perhaps, it won't be so original by design.
    I never said anything about the popularity of the show.
    Average ratings on Rotten Tomatoes the past 5 seasons:
    Season 4: 9.07
    Season 5: 8.65
    Season 6: 8.33
    Season 7: 8.31

    Again the bottom hasn't dropped off, but some believe the quality has dipped.
    Perfect. Thanks! You may very well be correct.
     
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    I'm optimistic when it comes to these guys. As for their GoT input, there's a lot more to creating an adaptation than just the source material. I would imagine that as showrunners they leave their imprint on virtually every element of the show, so even though the books are successful, the series would be bad if wrong people made it.

    Personally, I haven't felt any significant decrease in quality once they went beyond the books. On the contrary, season 7 features some of the strongest moments for me and due to its density, it made for a very enjoyable watch. Granted, it did feel rushed at points, but at least there were no fillers and we got something substantial every week.

    Their success in Star Wars is not a given, but somehow I feel comfortable with the choice. Something feels right about it to me. We'll see. I'm not worried, but I'm not convinced it's gonna be great either (how could anyone be at this point?).
     
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    Seems like a lot of people are ignoring the fact that these guys have a wealth of Legends material to crawl through. I fully expect them to crawl through this stuff for whatever it is they will produce.
     
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    Agreed, while they won't do a full on adaptation of something from Legends they may have the plot based around the same points of another previously told story.
     
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