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SPECULATION Should Star Wars Fans be Concerned?

Discussion in 'Benioff & Weiss's Film Series' started by DailyPlunge, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    What makes you think they'll mine materials from Legends?
     
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    I am absolutely terrified for these movies. These two are some of the worst storytellers ever who were only saved by sticking fairly close to the source material. But what happened when they deviated from GRRM's books? The first major original story they did was universally panned (even by those who are cult like with their love of the show), their Dorne storyline was abysmal and showcased how utterly terrible they are. Most of everything post-Season 4 has been utter trash. They're also seemingly very unprofessional if you listen to BTS statements as well as blue-ray/DVD commentary. Considering how much they ruined A Song of Ice and Fire I am very afraid of the damage they will bring to the Star Wars universe. I sincerely hope they can deliver something great but I can't say I'm confidant that it will happen. (My statement basically applies to Rian Johnson's trilogy as well).
     
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    We are talking about a story that dipped immensely in quality book wise after storm of swords and a saga so character driven that George rr Martin could not finish at all because he insists never to use a outline.

    Sorry if D&D cannot make diamonds out of blast.
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    We are talking about a story that dipped immensely in quality book wise after storm of swords and a saga so character driven that George rr Martin could not finish at all because he insists never to use a outline.

    Sorry if D&D cannot make diamonds out of blast.


    Rian Johnson also was saddled by Luke skywalker...whose has not been interesting since his father died...working off the awful foundations of the force awaken
     
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    I think the only reason people consider Feast and Dance to be lesser is because of the way he split up the characters. Having read all the books in very quick succession I didn't feel like there was any dip in quality from the first three to the last two.
    Even if Feast and Dance were blast D&D didn't even try, they said screw it and threw out half the plot lines, and barely did the other half. And then they write every character any way they want creating massive contradiction in once great characters.
    I disagree that Luke isn't interesting but that aside. Its not just Luke that he wrote horribly, everything in he TLJ was terribly done. And despite the many valid complaints of TFA I think one thing it did fine was set up a foundation. The only thing I will give to Rian Johnson is the fact that he had to follow TFA up immediately because of the cliffhanger, I do blame JJ immensely for that. But even with that in mind the story RJ concocted was pathetic.
     
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    I've never watched GoT, but this went completely below my radar! My concern is that LFL/Disney is going to flood the market with Star Wars movies and television shows and that the quality will suffer.
     
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    This is a valid concern, but it's something people will have to get over. Disney didn't purchase one of the most popular movie franchises of all time to sit on it. With all the content being generated there's going to be some poor quality stories created.
     
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    Understandable seeing how all of these random superhero (both marvel and DC) shows are all over the place. Not really a fan of that, but I feel like the people behind Star Wars will treat it better. At least, I hope so.
     
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    nope...i do not see the need to worry, i feel that they will be good ideas man and that these films will be made or broken by the writers and directors(who will not be them). Also the characters they will create will be better than we expect because it is there characters, not trying to finish someone elses work. and if they adapt the old republic, even better, because they are known for taking questionable concepts of the source material and making it digestible
     
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    IMHO if they adapt an existing story & characters like Revan or say Freedon Nadd; they'll do fine. But if they come up with orginal stuff?

    Hmmmm not so sure it will be as good.
     
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    I think the only reason it was not Critically acclaimed is because there are a LOT of Die Hard Martin fans and anyone creating past him do not feel like anyone can compare, when in reality - Martin is old as dirt and most likely never going to finish his last novel, and if he does, it'll be based off the show with his bit of creativeness rolled into it.

    As for the OG post, I'm game to see what they have. Worse case scenario - it's horrible and we are let down (again for some), and best case scenario - it's Frelling amazing.
     
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    I've never read the books and most of the critics haven't either. My issues with the last two seasons is they're just not very good. The formulaic nature of the first few seasons of killing people off has a side effect as the show goes on. The idea that "no one is safe" isn't true. There are 3 characters who we know are safe until the end. It's why the Jon Snow cliffhanger was poor.

    I like Game of Thrones, but there's better written shows currently on TV.
     
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    Well, the thing is that GoT has reached a point where they cannot just kill everyone for the sake of it. Now that the finale is coming, people are more invested than ever because it won't be a "happily ever after".

    Funny thing is, my favourite season was the last one. Yes, it has a convenient timing towards the end, but it was the most epic season yet.

    Speaking of SW, they can do whatever they want. They have a whole expanded universe ready to use as someone already mentioned, but they will come up with their own original stuff, and what better than Star Wars to go in different and original directions.

    Hopefully they focus on the Old Republic.
     
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    The weird thing I always found about the way they killed off characters then how people complained they stopped was, who the Blast did these people expect to be in the final seasons?

    I always see "Tormond should have died!" "Bronn should have died!" "Davos should have died!" "Jaime should have died!" etc etc.
    At what point do people realize to have a satisfying ending you need *some* people who have been on for more than 5 episodes lol
     
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    Damn, that is a good question. I wasn't worried but now I am, Thanks for that
     
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    I think the major problem ,and it was there from the start, is that they are attempting to adapt something that was made to be unadaptable to film. Even though they are working in the TV format vs. cinema, they were always going to have problems. First, each book could be two seasons. Assuming the books end at Song of Spring (and that is actually book 7) that would be 14 years How many actors would want to do 14 seasons? How would people react to a recast Jon Snow? I would love to work for 14 years (or more) on something like that, but I'm not a young actor wanting to express myself. LOL

    I do think the problem is that they have moved beyond the books, and the show suffered once that happened. They no longer had something to mine, and that made it difficult to continue. I also imagine they are suffering from some of the same problems Martin is suffering from, that being the pressure to produce something of amazing quality.

    As for your original question, I think they can. But I personally think it would behoove them to mine the old EU, which it is apparent LFL is doing and probably will continue to do. Take some stuff from the old EU and turn it into nu-cannon. I don't think they need to mine it as closely as they did with the first 4-5 seasons of GOT, but I would certainly mine it the way say the MCU mined the comics for stories.
     
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    I posted this over a year ago and I have to admit the news that Kennedy is meeting with Benioff/Weiss/Johnson is a good sign. It suggests that Lucasfilm is going to come up with a story plan for the next few years. Benioff/Weiss have proven they can handle stories and Johnson has proven to be able to create original stories/characters. Even if Benioff/Weiss and Johnson work on two different projects it would be good if they're related and they're coordinated together.
     
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    All I can say is that with the quality of this years GOT I am more excited then ever. Last nights episode (episode 3) had the single greatest battle ever done. Not because of length, but because of the stress, pacing, music and overall tone. That is after 2 other awesome episodes. I had some problems last year. really just how quickly people moved around. That part of season 7 was comical. Other then that loved the season.
     
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    And funny enough, I have problems with last nights episode which makes me worried about them and Star Wars. We just can't be pleased I guess. As a one off, that episode was freakin E.P.I.C. But the ending... problematic for me to say the least. The one good thing is that I am 90% sure this isn't what will happen in the books, so the books aren't being spoiled by the show.
     
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    So this past weekend we got 2 incredibly epic lengthy battle scenes in EndGame and GOT. EndGame was fun and all, but it was incredibly fan service. Dont get me wrong I loved EndGame, but I am thinking I am one of the rare people that loved it more for what came before the end battle. I also am someone who although I felt IW was just fun. The dusting had no consequence. I knew that a year ago when I walked out of the theater. We knew that everyone would come back because of how it was done and who was dusted. So IW was just a series of action scenes. GOT was entirely different to me and OMG I loved the ending. Give me one battle like the battle at the end of GOT that was so stressful versus 10 of the Endgame end battles where I just wasnt stressed.
     
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    I also felt like Endgame wasn't... I don't know what the word is I'm looking for. Inconsequential? Like you said, we knew they were going to undo some of it last year.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd rate yesterdays GOT episode a 9/10. My pickiness is probably JUST that. I am a HUGE HUGE fan of the character at the end who... I don't want to spoil this for anyone. I'd be willing to discuss this privately, but yeah I loved the episode. I just have a few things that make me a tad bit worried. But I'm sure that in the end these guys will do a fantastic job.
     
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