Should these films be made? Are they just a cash grab for Disney?

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nice post, I am what youngrippa would call a normie (saw movis only, never read the books, or watched the tv series), i like the 1st original series, hated the prequels and found the later trilogy to be abominably awful, but like any, I have ideas on how to right the ship
1. leave real world politics and gender identity out
2. Keep lucas films radical employees off social media
3. Give rey some frailties, allow her to fail and learn from the failures.
4. the force is not male or female it just is, sorry kathleen
5. do not let real world politics affect hiring or casting decisions
6. get an adult to read script before filming to make sure things all make sense, this will help eliminate obvious plot holes
7. having strong male and female characters ( last trilogy lacked any competent male charachters)
8. tighten up the writing
9. reboot the 3 sequels, give finn something to do besides scream rey , make ry a 3 dimensional real character, not invincible , keep KK RJ JJ so far awy

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not sure it was bashing, just expressing honest feeling on how to improve the films , where does the line occur between criticism and bashing, i did not insult anyone, just suggested that the 3 people most responsible for the down turn in quality not be allowed any where near any future projects, i would not call that bashing., bashing to me would be the films all sucked. Constructive criticism is saying the 3 sequels were subpar and heres my thoughts on how to fix them.

 

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its an expression and the keep them from buying ticketss was said in jest s an exaggeration for effect, no one really believes people should be prevented from buying tickets.

 

Sure. And it's an offensive and inflammatory expression of the type not welcome around here.

 

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i have an odd sense of humourr, would have thought the exaggeration for effect was very very obvious, was certainly intended as such.

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i am guessing slapstick humour, shows like married with children sanford and son are not your cup of tea. Like honeymooners, one of these days alice, everyone knew it was an expression and he would never do it. Think people are a tad oversensitive.find it odd especially amongst star wars fans, now one wept for the support personnel on the star destroyers when they were blown from the sky. Seeing actual violence on screen seems to be ok, but a farcical expression made for humorous effect is problematic, thats like folks shrieking about pepe le pew and lola bunny being offensive but shouting you slay queen about WAP, very odd

 

What I'm saying is that when you're a guest on someone's platform and they tell you not to do something, you don't start arguing about why you think you should.

You should also consider that just because you think something you said comes across a certain way, it doesn't mean it does.

Ad hominem attacks on people and assumptions about those who don't share your views probably don't help much either.

 

So you are saying that ST is just this?





I really think you are spending to much time looking for reasons to be angry. Love what you love and dislike what you dislike but dont crap on others people love for it.


Now thats out of the way. Welcome to the Cantina, read through the rules, enjoy your time here and play nice with others.

 

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not looking to be upset, i just think force awakens was a knock of of a new hope,

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ST? i do not get all the abbreviatioons commonl;y used

 

Sequel Trilogy or the best Scifi thing ever invited Star Trek.

 

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english is not my native language so abbreviations not always obvious, i did discount star trek as is star wars board and some trekkies i have met do not like star wars for some poorly defined reasons. Thank you for the clarification. one question, sometime I post and the post count changes, sometimes it does bnot, do posts have to be of a certain length to qualify?

 

No post can even just one word.

Nope you are fine on Star Trek. I just like space adventure type shows so i bring up a lot of them. I am like that i just bring up whatever pops in my head.

As the ST goes they were meh, Disney has been known to do this. They were are test for a more open universe now we are getting a lot of new content. With them putting in the woke message i think it is just something new that all branches of film are doing. Black Christmas reboot was the same way.

 

I agree, it kind of is, although I loved it for that. It was a glorious "knock-off" of A New Hope in my view! But then, that was nothing new. They were ALL kind of knock-offs of ANH.

Even The Empire Strikes Back was a 'knock off'. Arguably even more so! It maybe just hid it better, and granted it didn't lift exactly the same plot, but Empire follows all the same beats and the same structure as ANH.

1. Both start in space
   
2. In both films droids take the action down to the planet (R2 and 3PO in A New Hope and the Imperial probe droid in Empire)
3. Act One takes place on a sandy desert planet/snowy desert planet (both are visually similar)
   
4. Luke goes out into the wasteland and is attacked by Tusken Raiders/the Hoth Wampa
5. Luke has to be rescued by his friend Ben Kenobi/Han Solo
6. The Imperials catch up and Act One ends with escaping from the planet
7. Luke starts his Jedi training aboard the Falcon/continues his training on Dagobah
8. Luke arrives on the Death Star (a spherical city in space) to rescue Leia/goes to Bespin to rescue Leia and Han from Cloud City (A disc shaped city in the clouds)
9. Kenobi confronts Vader in a climactic duel ending in a self-sacrifice to save his friends. In Empire Luke confronts Vader in a climactic duel where he ends symbolically hanging self-sacrificially from a cross of all things. There's also Han's non-literal "death" in carbonite in a sacrifice to save his friends.
10. The final space battle and attack on the Death Star is transposed into the first act in TESB. But in both the Empire is approaching to attack and destroy the Rebel base, and in both the rebels have to target a weak spot in the Imperial's weapons.

Now take all of those points and compare them to ROTJ!

 

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1. true, but all are in space a lot , star wars kind of implies lot going on in space
2. forgot about that
3. ok
4. sand people ae now tuskan raiders?
5. ok
6. imperials chasing rebels is kinda the whole plot and in like all of them
7. continuation, a natural progression of the hero journey (the one rey did not have)
8. cloud cities are a god visual
9. do not remember it as act of sacrifice, they oze him to be sure worked for luke and they didnt turn people loose because of it
10. empire is always a threat to wipe out rebels, that is kind of their entire reason for being and drives plot.

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i may be too old, i just like movies as escapism , do not want privileged millionaires who play make believe for a living to lecture. I just want to leave politics and reality for a little while. I get like of space adventures, I like westerns like tombstone, justified ,
i just want to be entertained at a movie, tight writing, characters that ae relatable or likeable, do not want to be brow beaten , i apply this to all sides btw, though finding a conservative messaging in films now is like looking for err was going to make a madonna nba all star joke, but ,,

 

Yeah they're the same thing. Tusken Raider is sort of the 'proper' name for the sand people. They get called both.

 

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learn something new every day, where does the name come from, was it mentioned in the new hope, did i miss it?