Should we ever have seen Master Yoda use a Saber?

I found this article interesting; it's an interview with Dave Filoni about Yoda. It still doesn't explain why we don't see enlightened Yoda in ROTS, but at least it acknowledges the discrepancies between OT and PT Yoda, why they are there, and how they were IMO mostly resolved.

http://www.starwars.com/news/dave-filoni-on-the-lost-missions-yoda-arc

 

I agree completely. It's something I also wish was on screen (the entire Yoda arc, or a variant of it) instead of having to dig for the explanation.

 

Ok, so we're all about the semantics now lol. I'll bite. Personally, I don't think Obi-wan had the necessary time or inclination to go over all of the details with a Luke, whom was still just trying to wrap his head around the immediate situation and how he actually fits into it. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Besides this being beside the point, that's not completely true. There's a deleted scene for ESB that shows Yoda on Luke's back while he is testing his instinctive reflexes using- yup you guessed it- a lightsaber. (I'll post a link as soon as I find it again.) Oh and let's not forget Yoda in a classroom full of younglings instructing them in what appears to be the handling of a lightsaber while using the Force (ala Obi-wan and Luke on the Falcon in ANH). Also, the line that Obi-wan says to Anakin during the speeder chase scene in AOTC, "If you practiced your saber technique as much as you do your wit, your skills would rival that of MASTER Yoda."

Man this is awesome lol. Alright, so Obi-wan isn't a master here?! Oh boy. Ok, we're only talking about Yoda's masterhood, gotcha.

Yoda, merely tells Luke that "War does not make one great". Yoda is clearly playing on Luke's words to make a point- not to tell Luke that he was above using martial skill. C'mon man.

To that I say, your perception of said values is flawed. Besides, Luke's Dagobah training was not even situationaly close to what the Jedi order would normally prefer, employ and were accustomed to. The Dagobah situation was premised on the most serious and dire necessity. (It isn't rocket science.)

I'm sorry that you simply don't like the idea of a Master Yoda having and using a blade, but unfortunately for you it's an integral part of this story. I'm just glad that I'm not bothered by it.

 

Its believable, or even likely that Ben Kenobi could of learned his fencing skills from someone other than Yoda, especially if you look at the context of the Original Trilogy, it didn't have to be like a rigid one master-one apprentice sort of thing.

Why are you using examples from the Prequels?

What? Masterhood?

The point is that it didn't have to be an integral part of the story. We are, of course, discussing hypotheticals here.

 

I'm not saying that he strictly learned his all of his skills (lightsaber included) from Yoda, and I wasn't implying that he did.

Um because this is where we saw Yoda using a lightsaber, maybe??

Admittedly I made the word up for context/conversation purposes lol. I'll grant you that, if you didn't understand what context the term was meant to identify with, pointing this out is understandable. Otherwise your pointing it out is merely an attempted diversion away from what it is that I'm obviously saying. (Shallow attempt of an ad hominem, perhaps?)

True, we are discussing hypotheticals, but, like I said in a wayyy earlier post, my position on the matter is based on what GL chose to deliver on screen, and, that I have no issue with Yoda using a lightsaber. It doesn't lessen or cheapen his character nor it's stature.

@Max Rebo
How can we actually have a conversation based on opinions of whether Yoda should've ever used a lightsaber on screen when the ONLY examples of him using one are in the PT???

 

@Max Rebo

Oh ok! Well, since this is STRICTLY about hypotheticals, and, the PT Yoda as we know him doesn't exist for this conversation, then this is my stance on the matter: Sure, why not have Yoda showing his lightsaber skills on screen. It could be nice to see how this master of the Force uses a martial weapon in conjunction with his Force powers. I've no issue with the concept .

 

But don't you care about the thematic integrity of the character? This is a film after all. When Luke Skywalker and the audience saw Yoda for the first time, we had no idea he was a Jedi, he just looked like this wierd little swamp alien. But then he reveals that he is, and that Luke hasn't really learned to look passed the superficial. He taught Luke that "Size matters not." and that "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter!" - punctuating his point by lifting the X-Wing out of the swamp. The audience gets our first sense of what the Force truly represents, a symbol of the wisdom to know when to see beyond the outside appearance to the true character of something, and that being a Jedi knight means mastery of this skill, of the Force. But when Luke leaves to help his friends, he is not a Jedi knight yet, and when Darth Vader reveals that he is his father, Luke is devastated and can't believe it. Its at this point that Luke has become a Jedi knight.

 

Of course I do. I just simply take no issue with Yoda demonstrating his lightsaber skills on screen- even in the manner that GL chose to depict it lol.

The rest of your post, as it relates to Luke, seems to have no real relevance to the discussion at hand.

I'll say this though: It doesn't matter to me that the first impression that we see on screen of Yoda using the Force didn't involve a lightsaber demonstration. He was teaching- not fighting. At the height of Order, up until the time of the Empire, the rules were "different" for the Jedi- as it relates to how they interacted with society, so, naturally, Yoda having and using a lightsaber is not outside of the realm of expectation and reality. I'm glad that GL chose to let us see him get down with a blade...made sense to me .

 

Of course it relates to Luke, he was the main character! Unlike in the Prequels, the Original Trilogy was far more focussed, and characters who were not the main characters didn't run off and do things we didn't care about. Yoda's significance came from what he taught Luke, and what he taught the audience.

 

I could've sworn that this thread was about whether or not Yoda should've ever used a lightsaber on screen...not about Luke's OT journey. You might wanna consult with the OP for clarification (though, I'm surprised that he/she hasn't already voluntarily chimed in on this).

You're entitled to that opinion, unfortunately this seems to be the wrong thread for that discussion.

Again, another opinion that you're entitled to have, but it appears to me that you're merely grasping at straws with regard to making some type of compelling case for your overall point-of-view.

 

My point is that (and I'm sorry I have to directly tell you this, I guess I wasn't being clear, sowwy), like with all characters in all proper films, Yoda isn't a person and was never supposed to be. He represented an ideal and was there to teach Luke and the audience about the Force, which itself was a symbol for something deeper. For him to do something that goes against what he represents, no matter how realistic it is for him to do that thing, isn't a choice a rational filmmaker should make, unless its on purpose to make a point. But it wasn't. So he shouldn't of used a lightsaber.

 

Kibble, it's long since been clear that you don't like the idea/fact that Yoda used a lightsaber on screen lol. There's no amount of ways of re-working your words or statements, while dissing the film maker and his decision to show Yoda in this light, that is gonna make any iota of difference to me lol.

Now, I can sense, through your statements, that you believe yourself to have some type of superior film critique skills (-or, at least as it relates to this saga, anyway). However, trying to be slyly condescending is not gonna help your case nor make your point any more valid to me than I already considerate it to (not) be. I'm sorry to have to directly tell you this because it apparently isn't clear enough to you: It's perfectly fine to have an opinion- until you start trying to pass it off as gospel or as the only opinion that should be considered, sowwy .

 

At least in this case, I am in fact critiquing the films, while your only arguments seem to be "Why not?". Which pretty much appeared to be why Lucas put the scene in in the first place. Obligatory George Lucas quote :

"We've seen him, but we've never actually seen him fight. This'll be the first time we see him pull out that little laser-sword of his and go to town."

I really hadn't meant to sound condescending before neither, I figured since for me it was actually pretty early in the morning I had made my point badly. But seriously try and actually consider what I'm saying about. Like did you even read my last post? You obviously read enough of it to get offended, but I dunno. I am trying to have a legitimate discussion about it, like forums are for.

[EDIT] Oh you are just gonna go and rate my posts "Pathetic" huh? Well its obvious you just don't want to even have a discussion about it. You just want to hear people agree with you! Well how about this - Yoda using a lightsaber was the most epicest thing I ever saw, who cares about the art of film!

 

And as I keep saying, I have no problem with the film maker's decision nor whatever encouraged it.

Not my problem. You can make excuses for your approach all you want but it's ultimately your own responsibility to be accountable for it.

I wouldn't address any post that I haven't read and/or considered. Doesn't mean that I'm going to agree- or even- accept it as a quality position.

That is correct- YOU DUNNO, lol. The last time I checked though, nothing about your life (which, I know nothing about) has any credible or quantifiable affect on my life (which, you know nothing about- other than I'm a SW fan). So...by all practical accounts, there's nothing that your position allows me to be offended by, and it's beyond preposterous, not to mention, irrational, for you to have considered otherwise.

No..... you're trying to arm-twist someone into adopting your own perspective on a matter (partially because you don't think that their opinion contains enough depth for the topic). That's not an approach to a 'legitimate disscussion' lol. That's just a soft way of attempting low-key bullying lol.

You can't be serious lol. I've never implored, requested or demanded that anyone agree with what I've said. If it offends you that I'm firm in where I stand on the top, then maybe you should reconsider being on a message board because...well...it's a place where people don't always agree with you, and it seems that you take issue with that.

^^^That merely reveals a lack of class and conversational prowess. It, however, doesn't reveal a true sense of humor- well, at least, not a truly adult one anyway.

 

You are wrong. I believe one thing, and you believe another, and I was attempting to share my opinions, and listen to your opinions, then respond where I believe your opinions were not well thought out, and then I expected you to do the same in response (this is called a discussion). But instead you just repeated what you believe, and then started insulting me.

I didn't say you demanded that people agree with you, I just said you only wanted to talk with people who agree with you. You haven't given any credible reasons for why you believe what you do other than the fact that you believe them. I don't care about that, though, that's fine. The problem is that you are then here, discussing it! Its fine not to have credible reasons for what you believe, but don't engage in conversation like your personal reason-less opinions matter!

 

I would say to you "Nice try, Kibble, nice try"- at playing the victim, but I'd rather be honest. Of course, anyone reading this board will plainly see that I haven't insulted you nor anyone else...it's not how I roll.

Oh and I don't need a lesson about how to communicate on a "message board" lol. Your condescension is so transparent that's its laughable.

Stop it. Firstly, whatever it is that you deem as being "credible" is just an opinion sourced from your own outlook- it's not gospel in any way. Secondly, the OP's Topic merely asks a simple question. I answered it. For me, overly elaborating on my position would be more of a choice- as opposed to a necessity. The topic's question is pretty cut-n-dry. But you go ahead and play victim though. It doesn't lend your position any additional credibility than it already had.

P.S.: I bet we could get any one of the MODs to look at this conversation and probably agree that your approach to it and to me is wayyy off base. Maybe we should make a wager over in the new Game Lounge forum???

Until then, stop with the false pretentiousness and word-twisting. It isn't working.