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SPOILER Shroud of darkness review/discussion

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. Moral Hazard

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    Great episode for sure.
    I interpret the ghost inquisitor not so much as helping the rebels but as a Force manifestation from within the FS individual own mind presenting a challange to be overcome. It possibly could be some light side security system, but those red light patterns around the temple when the inquisitors were channeling dark force power indicated to me these locations strong in The Force may work both ways.
    I think so to - but only in/from his own mind as he seems to lack confidence. I initially thought the episode is leaping into sentient force territory but now I'm thinking it may just be reflections of the FS individual themselves. In the same way that there are probably no tangible lightsabers on walls but only in Kanan's head. I figure he's just meditating in the next room and the latent Force energy in the temple resonates with him and is manipulated or stimulated into some kind of feedback loop presenting a trial for a level progression.
    Yeah - odd timing there. I write this stuff off as slow motion time manipulation these days. Helps my suspension of disbelief!
    Both I reckon. As a manifestation/reflection of Kanan's subconcious I think deep down he's sensed Ezra's danger in training. Accepting he can only do the best he can each day while keeping in mind that worst case scenario was affirmed in the temple by a boost to his self confidence. My take anyways.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 3, 2016, Original Post Date: Mar 3, 2016 ---
    I streamed this series from unofficial sources.

    I try to give a little back in a ways I wouldn't normally to artists when I do it - donations to nominated charities or live performances etc. I know the artists aren't struggling to put food in the fridge in this case! For "the mouse" I might shout the niece or nephew to Frozen on Ice or flick some coin to Force for Change.
     
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    Disney is probably taking your money while you sleep anyways ...I would know. Anyways, based on what all of you have said, I look forward to the viewing and choking on on an official response. :) .
     
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    What about when Asohka says "there is another way" and when fleeing the temple she looks back and sees Yoda wave goodbye to her? And she smiles a little bit.

    I have the feeling she has decided to sacrifice herself to reach Anakin. And she has made peace with it. I feel she will fight Vader and then have an Old Obi wan moment where she lets down her defenses and Vader strikes her down. Just a feeling I got
     
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    That was my first instinct as well!
    It's my belief now that we may very well get and "Ahsoka" comic series (like Marvel has done for Lando and Chewie and others), that details what happened to Ahsoka between TCW and Rebels.
     
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    On Rebels Recon, it is stated that Yoda induces these visions to the three of them as a means of teaching them. So Yoda killed several mynocks with one stone by revealing the origin of the Inquisitor and confirming Kanan's knighthood in his vision, while also warning him about Ezra's dark tendencies. To Ahsoka, he was able to confirm her worst fear, that her old master is in fact Darth Vader. And he was more hands on in Ezra's vision, teaching him one-on-one and telling him to go to Malachor. So basically, Yoda is the reason behind all of the visions.
     
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    One of the best episodes of the Series so far! What I found most interesting was the discussion that Yoda was having with Ezra about TCWs. He basically said that the Jedi were already dabbling in the dark side during this time and admitted that he was blind in seeing it then and now he realizes that's what was the cause of their undoing. Powerful stuff! Also, leads me to believe that the Jedi who survived order 66 (except for Obi Wan, Yoda and Kanan) could have joined the darkside in some capacity. With Vader taking them in and making them inquisitors.

    Examples:

    Grand Inquisitor was a Jedi which we just learned
    I really do believe that 7th Sister is Barriss Offee

    7th sister - Barriss.jpg

    Yes the tattoos are different. I could be wrong of course, but it would make a lot of sense since last we saw of her she was bombing the Jedi Temple. The only thing that makes me think it might not be her, is the fact that Ahsoka didn't recognize her when they were fighting (don't remember if she was wearing her helmet closed or not during that battle, but pretty sure it was open).
     
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    When did Maul's facial tats change?
    :p
     
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    I prolly should have looked at pics before I said that. I could have swore I heard on the Jedi Council that his tats had changed....but apparently I was wrong. I apologize! I have removed that comment from my post :)
     
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    No worries, I forgot the smiley! His tats did change, but not just the body, they are now tribal and far less interesting.

    I'm a little peeved that Son of Dathomir voided the original Sith-tattoo story:
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    She isn't Barriss, in Clone Wars she was a better fighter than Ashoka and she was able to fight reasonable well against Anakin. Seventh Sister isn't anywhere near as talented.
     
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    I believe it was addressed on Rebels recon a while back. She IS a Mirialan, but not Barriss Offee. I wouldn't be surprised if she does turn up on the show at some point. We never did find out what the Republic did with her.
     
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    I can only agree that this episode was great.As many have said the best so far.
     
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    Yeah, it was confirmed by Filoni at NYCC that she is not Barriss.

    “I know a lot of people thought that was Barris Offee in an evil role, but it’s not,” Filoni said. “That’s a different story to tell if we ever do it.” As for the Grand Inquisitor, Filoni said, “So the one they offed in Season One was the head of the entire organization. So now all the other Inquisitors are vying for that role, and trying to impress Darth Vader.”

    Plus, even though the characters who have appeared in CW look different in Rebels, they still look very similar. They kept Ahsoka's and Maul's facial markings intact for the most part with only slight variations. The 7th Sister's facial markings are very different from Barriss. Barriss also had a British accent whereas the 7th Sister uses an American dialect.
     
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    What a fantastic episode. Great follow-up to another strong one last week (The Honorable Ones). I'm a little bit crestfallen that the next two episodes appear to be taking a sidebar journey with Chopper, before throwing us full throttle into the two-hour finale.

    Re: the visions in the temple - it's a bit of a pain that you need to watch Rebels Recon to get the answers, but the answer is in there: Pablo Hidalgo explicitly states that the visions each of our heroes experienced in that temple were directly controlled by Yoda himself. So if we look at each one in isolation - Yoda chose to knight Kanan, but not before teaching him an important lesson about how and when a Jedi should fight. Yoda disclosed to Ahsoka the truth of what happened to Anakin (and perhaps rubbed a little salt in the wound of her departing the Jedi Order as a result? Dick move, Yoda!), but her learning that was a critical piece of information. And Yoda took it upon himself to have a one-on-one conversation with Ezra regarding the pitfalls of choosing violence to solve their issues.

    It's certainly a unique situation - I like the idea that Yoda was pulling the strings, as we get a "less is more" sense of his incredible prowess with the Force. From a galaxy away, he is able to create powerful visions that test, inform and enlighten the heroes. I like this manifestation of his power more than jumpy/flippy fight sequences.

    If I wasn't certain before, I am now: Ahsoka is going to perish in the season finale. Her steadfast declaration that "there's still a way" shows that she believes she can turn him back, when we know for absolute certain that she can't. I also got the distinct impression from her fleeting glimpse of Yoda, and his wave to her...that that was farewell. I think Yoda knows the path she is about to head down (and that he stands no chance whatsoever of talking her out of it - she IS Anakin's apprentice, after all), and he knows where that path will end for her. I felt profoundly sad at that moment, as I think it's the most foreboding one we have had yet on Rebels. She is going to try and reach Anakin, but she will fail, and it will cost her her life.

    I stand to be corrected, but that's my gut theory. "Twilight of the Apprentice" can have variable meanings.
     
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    @Darth Sidious Based upon your rating, I take it that you are a fan of the nightbrothers? And everyone in their village having what were once known as full body, Sith tattoos? Its cool if you do, but I much prefer the original version of Maul enduring the painful ordeal instead of all the Zabrak babies getting dipped in an Ichor bath. For me, it robs Maul to play-up the generic horn-heads and his 2 dead brothers.
     
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    I finally just 5 minutes ago saw this episode, awesome from the start, i'm glad they brought Yoda back, brilliant he is.
     
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    Enjoyed this episode a LOT,always enjoy anything surrounding Sith,Jedi and the force.
     
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    Yep the bind the galaxy & the series together very well.
     
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    Guys, does anybody know how or where I can watch this Episode (living in Europe:/) ? I am so thrilled to watch it but dont know where -.-
     
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    I found it most interesting that 1) Ezra remained defiant to what Yoda was trying to teach and 2) Kanaan basically gave up and prepared himself for death once he realized that he could not control Ezra's destiny. I thought it was a strange message that only by embracing failure and death was he elevated to the rank of knight. It implies that Yoda's own thoughts on the subject have changed drastically since the failure of the Jedi order.

    If I were to throw a random dart at the board today,
    Ahsoka will die at Vader's hand, and he will actually show some small bit of emotion when he does it, foreshadowing his eventual return to the light.

    Ezra will fall to the dark side, briefly, and will ultimately die, but we won't see it onscreen. It would be too much for an animated series with this target audience.

    Kanaan will sacrifice himself, and we may or may not see it. The story group painted themselves into a corner now that they have knighted Kanaan, at the hands of Yoda, and Yoda's statement about the Last of the Jedi to Luke.
     
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