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Significance of Kylo Ren's Rey Freak Out

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by GeneralMadine, Jan 1, 2016.

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Kylo Ren...

  1. knows who Rey is.

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  2. doesn't know who Rey is.

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  1. GeneralMadine

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    Kylo Ren became outraged when he found out that BB-8 was not captured on Jakku. But he utterly lost his mind at the mention of a girl from Jakku accompanying the droid. Also of note: the First Order officer believed it was of significance to tell Ren about a girl, and he had an obvious fear of what Ren's reaction would be. Later on in TFA, as I recall, Ren addresses Rey as "the girl I've heard so much about." It implies that Ren knows (or at least thinks he knows) who Rey is and might have some form of history with her.

    This begs the ultimate question: Does Ren already know who Rey is? Does he simply know of her? If Luke Skywalker was just a myth to Rey, was Rey as much of a myth to Ren?

    Discuss!
     
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    Oh I believe he knows who she is. I truly do believe they were students together at Luke's Academy if not cousins to each other. It would add weight to Kylo Ren being a failure in the Skywalker family, his cousin, with the light side of the Force is more powerful than him with the dark side. Rey being the daughter of the powerful Luke Skywalker while Ben is just the son of his sister who rarely used the force and didn't have the potential like Luke or Anakin did and his father couldn't even use the Force at all.

    He clearly is jealous of Rey, the fact she with little training could snatch the Skywalker lightsaber from Kylo and her essentially kicking his *** (although it can be argued he was in a weakened state from the Bowcaster shot and from being hit the the lightsaber a few times previously) and could use the Force like she did against him when he tried interrogating her and he knew her powers were coming in and that she had to be stopped.
     
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    i think Ren has sensed that there would be an Awakening within a certain individual in the galaxy, and that he maybe had visions of a female being that person. So when he hears "a girl" he knows its not coincidence. I believe Rey is the Chosen One, created by the Force to counter Ben Solo's rise to the Darkside. The Yin to his Yang. I believe he has foreseen such an Awakening taking place.
     
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    The bolded part is where I disagree on, since it's pretty much been established that Anakin was the Chosen One.
     
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    The novel seems to suggest he has a theory as to who she is that is confirmed near the end of the film
     
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    He knows she's the awakening.
     
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    I've really started thinking of the concept of "family," and I'm wondering who Rey means. Students at the Jedi Academy could be "family," as could Luke. Either way, they're going to have to do some story wrangling to make it work. If Luke was Rey's father or she was a student at Luke's school, why did she have to ask Han if the stories about a Jedi named Luke were true? You'd think that by 5-ish years old when she's left on Jakku she would at least understand who her father is. Of course, she could have had her memory messed with or Luke may have tried to withhold his background from her (which might be an explanation for the lightsaber sequence at Maz's castle... the Force is showing her the past and/or restoring her memory).

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    Anything is possible - I've read the theory that Rey is sort of a reincarnated Anakin... but going too much in that direction would sort of push the believability for me. It would risk bringing back some of the elements of the prequels that make our heads spin. Rey certainly comes from somewhere, and I don't think there will be a supernatural explanation for her.

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    True -- Foster does drop some hints. I expect that Rey as Luke's daughter will play out... but there's a lot of story to get it there. If that is indeed the case, it will be interesting to see if Rey learns her lineage from Luke or from someone else. (Luke complained heavily about Obi-Wan not being upfront with him about the Skywalker family and Vader).
     
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    In the book, Ren actually says, "It IS you." He knows who she is at the end.

    It's driving ME nuts though...aagh!!!

    Who is she?
     
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    My theory on this is that something happened to Rey that caused her to have her memories wiped and dropped on Jakku, similar to what they did to Revan in Knights of the Old Republic. Her touching the lightsaber triggers her memories whereas Bastila thought that Revan touching his old mask would restore his memories
     
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    He needs A Xanax .
     
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    I think that he was the one that hid her or abandoned her on Jakku. So when the guy mentions a girl from Jakku he freaks out. He is confronted with his first failure against what defeated his grandfather, sentimentality.

    In the vision Rey sees Kylo kill someone right infront of her which some have said resembles one of the knights of ren. Perhaps after he kills the voice of dissent the others agree to his seemingly callous idea of selling her to someone on Jakku. In the biblical story of Genesis his brothers plot to kill him but one has the idea that its just far so instead they sell him into slavery.
     
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    I agree...maybe Ben (Kylo Ren) did not have the heart to kill her in cold blood and instead secretly left her on Jakku...
     
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    This is one of the directions that I'm leaning towards, too.
     
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    The answer is either on the cutting room floor, or in johnsons script. I doubt JJ "saved" a reveal. Nothing else seemed to be "off limits". If he felt he had to save R2 for the end as he did, or he'd upstage somebody, then he probably just didn't have the room for " my name is Rey, and I'm _____".
     
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    Oh yes! "the girl I've heard so much about." I get the feeling Ben has said that before but years ago when she showed up at Luke's academy with this amazing ability to learn the force through observation.
     
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    It could also mean that she was specifically told to lay low when she was dumped on Jakku, and now she's making all that noise so half the First Order knows about her. I don't think that was Kylo's plan, it endangers both him, her, and Luke.
     
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    Yeah I think personally that Kylo might have potentially thought she was dead which is why he became like that...
     
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    Just to specify, I was thinking more about Kylo or his people telling her to lie low when she was dumped on Jakku. Kylo's original plan seems to have been to hide her from both Luke and Snoke. Now she messes it all up and he flips out.
     
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    Wait so wahat do you think the orginal plan may have been to cause Kylo to flip out so badly ?
     
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    In the context of the film, I didn't get the sense that he knew her. His comment struck me as a more general "what girl, who is interfering in our plans now" type of deal, especially since he'd been told that Finn was likely involved only like 30 seconds earlier. And when they meet later, he never acts like he knows her personally. His interest in her seemed more "general" to me, like "who is this girl who's been such a nuisance" or something like that, And when he's interrogating her, he somewhat dismissively/condescendingly calls her a "scavenger."

    But it's always possible that they might do some kind of "reveal" in the next film, we'll see.
     
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