SPECULATION Snoke’s Real Identity (Poll)

He is too tall to be a Trump.

I always liked the theory which claimed that Snoke is a Whill, mythical very powerful being that resided beyond the Outer Rim. Also, I think that the "Snoke" that was killed was only his (its?) physical body and that we haven't heard the last of him. I am curious about the decay signs on him and the extent of his exertion after just walking few steps to get to Kylo Ren. But at the same time uses the Force with such ease and relentless command when he interrogates Rey.
Who knows, though. I am probably wrong.

 

See and I coming from a perspective of loving TLJ agree with you in regards to direction of the trilogy. There was clearly a plan on having a main hero (Rey) and main villain (Kylo) and a missing hero from the past (Luke). That much is clear from TFA alone. That's also why I had no issues with the death of Snoke because I knew it was going to happen in this film or the next since Kylo is the actual foil to Rey. I don't mind the way they've gone about it so far but I just assume JJ is going to have a difficult time tying everything together in the end. If it works perfectly then I'll be super happy, but I certainly won't be betting on it.

If you're interested in GL's vision for Star Wars, his first draft of the film can be found online and basically it's a merging of ANH and RotJ since, as you said, he didn't know he would be able to make more than one. There are obviously much different characters and the Vader storyline is just a regular villain rather than the arc we get but you can see the basic skeleton. It also shows how ESB truly was built from the ground up as there isn't much that translates from the first draft.

 

haha lol, I remember him talking in one of the behind the scenes features of the AOTC dvd about how he knew perfectly well how the story should end. He had it in his minds for a long time, but how to get there was a different story and then indeed talking about a love story and a detective for part II because the children who would have seen TPM would now be teenagers: P Rick McCallum, his yes man, going; yes, yes, good plan

..........and then he designed a dress.

Which reminded me of him preventing Carrie Fisher from wearing any underwear in ANH

 

My issue with the filmis not at all the direction the have chose, its the excution, I mean if you had told me when this trilodgy was announced that the plot for the first two films would be the tourmented son of Leia and Han solo had turned to the dark side after Luke contemplated killing him becuase he sensed the Dark side in him, became obsessed by Vader, killed his own father han solo to prove his devotion to the Dark side, forms a connection through the force with a mysterious girl whose strangely strong in the force and then kills His Master to take the mantle or leader. Id be biting your hand off to see it! thats a great story!
My issue was that it never felt like thats the plan watching The Force Awakens, I don't think for one second Abrams thought ow they will kill of Snoke in the second film. I think he set him up and the big bad they would build towards and then Johnson game in and wanted to go in a diffrent direction, for me the Froce awaken was thier to basically set up the the Trilodgy leave as many doors open and mysteries as possible and the following director could decide were to take it, decide who snoke was, Reys parents, why Luke was on the Island, whats the New Orders plan who the Knights of Ren were/are..... it doesnt feel like an of these things had a set answer going into the Last jedi and some don't feel like they have a set answer even now.

Ill have to give it a read, Ive read the making off books from the orginal trilodgy which just show how little of a long term plan their was, like "thier is another" had no answer when it was wrote, Vader wasn't orginally Lukes Farther leia not his sister, Jabba was nearly a big bear like thing, Yoda could of been huge........

It is a very nice dress and carrie fisher does seem very happy

 

The execution of the film is how those things are presented to you. If you're saying that you think Snoke should've been the ultimate villain, that Luke's story should've been different, that Rey's parents should've been different then that is the direction or trajectory of the trilogy. The plot is not the direction but the underlying story. The fact that they haven't answered the questions before posing them is purely a directional choice. They choose for their journey to be a mystery to everyone including themselves.

 

I don't think its just directional choice, i thnk a lot comes down to lack of planning and simply not having good aswers to questions that have been set up. IT dosnt feel like a trajectory of the story was in in place before Force Awakens, or after it and even After the Last jedi i don't think the had a firm plan of where they go next.

I keep brining up lost but what is happening really reminds me of lost.

 

I guess that is what I mean, they made the choice not to plan out the trilogy before making the films. Whether that's a good choice or not we'll have to wait until we see IX but I do agree that they probably would've been better off planning the whole thing out first.

 

General Hux after Snoke's cut in half - "Long Live Supreme Leader Snoke"

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I personally think there is a core version of the film that can't be touched, albeit with the death of Carrie Fisher and not having rights to use her likeness may . Originally thought that the sequel trilogy wasn't at all like Lucas' original vision, then later read that it does follow some basic story-line. I believe that the directors have a basic set of rules to follow, how they get to those conclusions is up to the director. This really just my opinion, but to me I feel that the first two movies is basically a troll job on fans, I believe in episode IX we will learn the truth in everything we've really been looking for all along. It's not a 2 movie duology, it's a 3 movie trilogy.

 

Yeah, I've always assumed it was like how Benioff and Weiss were reportedly doing the last few seasons of Game of Thrones- they have an end goal in mind and some specific journeys for characters, but a lot of the fluff in between was room for creative freedom.

For instance, I assume that Luke's ultimate fate in TLJ was something that was storyboarded from the beginning of the trilogy. The Canto Bight scenes, or the specifics of the Crait battle, were probably not.

 

I haven't posted enough to be able to like your post so I'm just responding instead. I absolutely agree with you. I do feel that there are things about the Canto Bight in general that add up then don't. It's as if they removed things because the Canto Bight scenes probably were taking up too much of the movie, I think there is more going on there and what they removed has people scratching their heads. Can't wait to read the novelization of this movie.

 

Welcome to the forums!

And I'm not necessarily saying I dislike the Canto Bight stuff (it was... okay, I guess) but I think we'd agree that you could pretty much swap it out for a bunch of different plots.

 

sorry i was mis understanding what you were saying.

Yeah i agree we won't no if it was a good move till after 9, it is certainly harder to make a story make sense when you doesn't start off with a plan, but that doesn't mean they can't pull it off. Plus i guess we have to give Abrams a bit of a break, The Force Awakens was rushed into production, he had to get them to push it back to December just so he could get that films script in ok nick, maybe expecting him to map out a trilogy in those circumstances is a bit harsh.

 

I didn't dislike it, but with most of what I've seen so far from the sequel trilogy I feel I have to reserve any real opinion about things until I've seen episode IX. I think that Canto Bight may have more importance going forward, something about the scene on the stolen ship stands out when DJ explains that the First order and the Resistance both deal with with the arms dealers in Canto Bight stand out to me. I'm actually really curious what some of the Aurebesh meant in the film when they were displaying the different vehicles. DJ himself seems like a character that may show up again. I kind of saw DJ like the Lando of this film. He seemed to know too much about what was going on.