Snoke is from another galaxy.

I'm saying that the person Plagueis could've been dead like the person Anakin was once dead - or was seen by himself and others, to be dead. But he existed in another form with a different name - Darth Vader.

 

Because it was a vision about a future where the Force goes out of balance. That was the greater prophecy - that there would be dark times and within this era a chosen one would be born who would bring balance.

Again, those Lucas quotes I provided above explain his point of view. I think the films demonstrate that as well - as the Sith took over they pushed the Force out of balance. They spread EVIL EVERYWHERE. When the Jedi destroyed the Sith, good and evil were equal again. Balance.

 

If Snoke turns out to be some decrepit tool from another Galaxy with no connection to the previous 6 films, I'm walking.

Plagueis is the answer. I couldn't give a rip what Pablo says, he's a nob. Anyone other than Plagueis is tacked on nonsense.

ITG out.

 

Even if that is the case (which is probably was to a point - just the balance slightly out of sync is negligible) it still stands that it was the dark forces spreading evil that causes imbalance. The point is that when the Sith emerged they spread evil everywhere and it dominated the good in the galaxy. That is what destroyed the balance. And so when the Sith were destroyed the balance was restored as the empire fell, the war ended and the Sith could no longer oppress the galaxy. This isn't an end to evil of course, just a return to the parity between good and evil or light and dark or however you want to look at it.

My view is that Snoke fed off the dark side of the Force and that the Sith empowered him. When balance was retored Snoke was seriously weakened and had to create imbalance again himself to restore his strength.

 

I think you're probably right. But I'm not the biggest fan of this whole "he came from unknown space/from another galaxy, but OH BABY, he's been watching the WHOLE TIME" business. It doesn't feel like Star Wars. "Star Wars evil" is about the evil within. That's where it comes from. Everyone is capable of it. Everyone has it. But will you resist it and choose the light instead? Every Star Wars big bad intra-galaxy being thus far has been some version of this: someone that has "fallen" and succumbed to the dark side. To have some sort of "super alien" big bad come from outside the galaxy, we will wind up having no ties to him. We won't care about him. When he dies, there won't be that twinge of sadness of a failed life and possible redemption lost. He is alien. He is other. And that feels very Star Trek rather than Star Wars. It feels very Yuuzhon Vongy to me, and I never liked them for this same reason. Or worse yet, it feels like Thanos. Some super alien that's watching everything. That was lazy writing when Marvel Comics did it, and it will be lazy when Marvel Studios finally unveils it. Yeeesh. No thanks.

George Lucas, at his peak, had that special power and talent to make you believe in his aliens and his galaxy. To make you believe that things, these creatures, these people, were all organic and truly came from this galaxy and were totally genuine. It never felt like it was cooked up by writers in a room somewhere. If Snoke is truly alien, from outside the galaxy, has no *interesting* (AKA not shoehorned in) backstory of how he came to be, how he managed to "watch" the Galactic Civil War and how and why he came to know of one singular being named Ben Solo, and how and why he came so interested in him, and possesses no motivations (that are *very* fleshed-out) for wanting to leave his galaxy and take over this new galaxy, then that's a complete story failure. It will be extraneous to the threads running through the other 6 films. It will be removed from the story of the rise and fall of the empire. It will be separate from the Skywalker saga as we know, and rather be a new tale that *happens to* involve Skywalkers also. It will be removed from what Star Wars is supposed to be, and will feel forced and as if Snoke was concocted by writers, or worse, a sales a marketing team. I don't know if there's enough screen time in the trilogy for the exposition needed to cover all of the story needed to redeem this character if he's "just some new evil alien." And as of right now, that's what Snoke seems to be.

ADDENDUM: Believe me, I'm no Plagueis apologist. I'm not dying to see him on screen at all. But at the very least, his inclusion as the big bad would be tidy. It would make sense. It would tie the worlds of the ST, OT, and PT together. Not using him, or *any* other "ancient sith that happened to find a way to artificially/unnaturaly extend life" (whatever name you want to give him), or hell, even *mention* the word sith at all in these new films, seems to be total hubris by Pablo and the story guardians, the filmmakers, and Disney to "make their own mark" on Star Wars, and an intentional attempt to whitewash the prequels, bad as they may have been.

 

If Snoke is from another Galaxy, then I'm pretty much already doing that.

 

I don't think the extragalactic origin is required to make Snoke... alien. He just needs to come from Unknown Regions. They are a space that has been barely explored by anyone and exotic enough for a new, immensely powerful being to emege from.

 

• Why did Snoke, a non-Sith, have apprentices before Kylo? For what purpose was he training them? Why was Kylo the first apprentice he uses to attack the Jedi? Why now? Why not earlier?
• How come Snoke and his multiple apprentices went undetected by the Jedi and the Sith for so long? Did literally no one know of their existence?
• How did Snoke's apprentices manage to fail? Why are they not still around? Was Snoke's training not good enough? Even against non-Sith and non-Jedi?
• How did Snoke sustain his injuries? A previous apprentice? A lesser force-user outside of the Jedi and Sith?

So let me get this straight, he's non-Sith teaching possibly many apprentices (god knows for how long and for what reason), yet Snoke manages to not make a single meaningful mark in the galaxy in all the time he has been hidden. Even worse, Snoke and his apprentices contributed nothing of significance for at least a century, yet Snoke somehow manages to fail miserably at protecting himself and his other apprentices, and instead he becomes almost crippled!?

Why should we fear this guy? Where's the evidence that Snoke's teachings will make Kylo strong? Why does Kylo have so much faith in him? Snoke's past seems to have been an abject failure. He seems pathetic in all honesty. He failed to protect himself judging by his injuries (he's the oldest and most decrepit dark-sider yet) and he has failed to deliver on any other promising apprentices. He basically admits so himself when he sucks up to Kylo.

Snoke's powerful position is built from the foundation and success of those that came before him - he has leeched from the plans and might of the Emperor and he has leeched from the legacy of Vader and the power of the Skywalkers. Hopefully I'm just being way too negative here and Snoke will offer more to the story other than being a failed, decrepit cabbage.

 

“I have never had a student with such promise–before you.”

Ren straightened. “It is your teachings that make me strong, Supreme Leader.”

 

Your right, we don't know enough about Snoke or his apprentices, but from that quote, Snoke doesn't exactly think that highly of them. Hence all the questions.

 

If he is from another galaxy, how would he know the events that took place on the second death star? just seems like a lot to explain in a trilogy. I'm obviously not the writer and don't know how it could be done but seems like it'd have to be someone close to either Luke, Vader, or the emperor. I'm not reading any of the books so I could be way off. Just my opinion lol

 

Luke told Ben Solo who turned into Kylo Ren who told Snoke about the events on the Second Death Star

 

Finished the Empires End novel finally.

Spoiler:

It's an interesting phrase that Nora uses when she says "mothering is an OMNIVERSAL thing" (paraphrased). Shouldn't that have been a universal thing? This would indicate there are other universes outside of our known Star Wars universe.

Could we find Earth? Hahaha...ummmm

Snoke is Darth Trump!