Snoke is NOT Darth Plagueis- so who is he?

you bring up a really interesting point about the merchandising.
why aren't there any Snoke toys? i'd buy one just to torture it. [snert]

 

THIS.

Plastic-Snoke-Action-figure meet BLOWTORCH.

"Only now, at the end, do you understand..."

 

Originally thought that Krennic from Rogue One may be Snoke, why?

They actually look alike...

They both are described as having pale blue eyes

Both have a booming voice

The name Snoke is actually in the name Orson Krennic

Snoke and then some remaining letters which could make another part of his name

Then Pablo debunked it lol..So yeah I was digging way too deep and found some flukes.

 

We've talked about this in different places. I want to attack this from a different angle. For the past year most discussion around Snoke has been in regards to Darth Plagueis. At this point it seems that theory is an extreme long shot.

So who is Snoke? He's what we know.

• Snoke has had at least two apprentices and maybe more.
• Kylo Ren is Snoke's most gifted apprentice.
• Snoke picked Ben Solo because he believes Ren to be the ideal embodiment of the Force, a focal point of both light and dark side ability.
• Snoke and Kylo Ren aren't Sith
• Kylo Ren is the archetype of a new generation of dark side users that have emerged to fill the void left by the Sith's demise.

Most of our clues about Snoke come from Kylo Ren. We know Kylo Ren is obsessed with the past. His lightsaber is based of a design dating back thousands of years to the Great Scourge of Malachor.

Who is Snoke? Is he as obsessed with the past as much as his prized apprentice?

 

You might want to get your hands on the Chuck Wendig Aftermath books. There may be many more clues as to who Snoke might really be. #Justsaying

 

I think Snoke will somehow turn out to be someone Lea and friends knew closely, maybe part of their circle. He could have been of Luke's first apprentices or a Jedi of old or something of the sorts. The reason I say this is because the way Lea spoke of Snoke when talking to Han. It seems they knew him. Also, if we look at Anakin, Palpatine didn't just show up one day, unknown to others, and say "hey, you want to be a Sith" or "Come join the dark side, we have cookies". Palpatine befriend Anakin as a young boy and had known him since. He became a non-jedi confidant of Anakin. Anakin knew him and trusted him. Trusted him enough to put his faith in him and switch sides. So with that, I feel Snoke somehow had to be in the close circle of friends with Lea and Luke to get to know Ben enough to gain his trust/admiration for Ben to join him....... I don't think it was done through being galactic PenPals.

 

Certainly, but all that stuff is just speculation right now. Which is cool, I just didn't add it to the hard facts we have so far.

 

Possibilities that seem apparent to me at the moment are:

• Gallius Rax. An advisor to Palpatine. Took over the Empire. Potentially gravely injured during Battle of Jakku. Pale. Striking eyes. Around to watch the rise of the Empire. (Note: I've wondered of late whether he is the boy that Rey sees during her cloud city vision?).
• Ezra Bridger. What will happen to him? Surely his story has to be resolved? If so, he has skirted the Dark Side. had dealings with Maul and Vader.
• Darth Plagueis. Top LFL officials have said it isn't him. It's been stated that Snoke is not Sith and an entirely new character. However, some hope remains. Going back to the facts, Snoke is described as wise and as having a great knowledge of the Dark Side. He is old, looks like he cheated death and has intimate knowledge of the Skywalker's. There more, lot's more but alas it all seems doubtful.
• Cronal. A Pablo Hidalgo backed villain from old EU. Shares a resemblance to Snoke.
• An ancient being/First Sith/First Force user.
• An as yet unheard of Senator/old ally to Luke and Leia.
• A former Jedi. One of the Lost Twenty.
• An experiment gone badly wrong.
• A fallen angel who made a deal with the devil.

Snoke's identity, along with the significance of Jakku and Rey's parentage for me is the ket to unlocking the mysteries of this trilogy. In regards to his motivation it strikes me that:

• Snoke requires the Dark Side to survive and likely made "a deal with the devil" to survive. I think his turn to the Dark Side happened in recent history (last few decades) rather than being an ancient being - otherwise, what has he been doing? It's out of character for a powerful Dark Sider to be idle. This explains both the conception of Snoke (once a beautiful being who was corrupted by evil) as well as his history (why he didn't emerge sooner) and why he seems hell bent on spreading evil (the Dark Side keeps him alive).
• Snoke's goal is to eliminate all other Force users/groups and establish an Empire far greater than the Sith. It's clear he is using Ren and will "destroy him when he has got what he wants". He wants to be rid of the Jedi. It sounded like he wanted to destroy Rey. The FO learned from the mistakes of the Empire. Snoke is learning from the mistakes of the Sith - don't allow any powerful Force users to survive, not even your most trusted apprentice!

 

Exactly, Leia knew Snoke, and from what I've read Snoke had been targeting Ben from a young age so it's very much possible that Snoke has been around Leia (and maybe Luke) for some time in the past. So how old are Snoke's injuries? My guess is that if Leia knew him he didn't "have" these scars and didn't look this way. He would have looked "normal" so he could infiltrate and make people trust him, that's why I think he used the same force trick as Palpatine to cloak his real appearance. Or, he did look normal before and Snoke got injured in a fight (against Luke?)...

 

Snoke does seem to fear Luke. Perhaps Ben turned on Luke when he was preparing dispatch Snoke? Faced with fighting his own nephew Luke simply gave up?

 

I've had those thoughts too. Luke and Snoke disagreed over something and a battle ensued. It could have been very similar to Anakin's choice and Luke decided he couldn't destroy his nephew/padawan. With the damage Snoke has and If done by Luke, He could have possibly flirted with the darkside himself since it involved the manipulation of his nephew out from under him. Luke lost a little control and his nephew so he decided to go center himself by finding the first Jedi temple. Snoke is fearful of Luke and his power but thinks Ben could have the power and is manipulating him into destroying Luke. Snoke would also know Luke doesn't want to kill Ben, giving Ben the edge.

 

Snoke is a force user who has built upon the teachings of the old sith and ahs tried to preserve the ways of the empire except even harsher .

 

Thanks for the picks! Cronal was someone I hadn't heard of before. Very interesting...

Two other major long shot theories to add:
Maul and Kanan

I add these because originally, I was in the "Ezra Bridger is Snoke camp," but Snoke's comments about seeing the Empire rise and fall don't feel as fulfilled if it's Ezra. Kanan would be a way to throw off everyone and still be true. Kanan saw the Republic fall and the Empire rise. He might have found out (or will find out retroactively) about Ahsoka's relationship to Vader, and by that process figure out who Vader is. As far as apprentices go, we've seen one, so when Snoke talks about Kylo having more potential, we'd have someone to compare it to/measure against. Besides, wouldn't that be a great twist? We think Ezra's the one that will eventually fall hard, but then it turns out to be Kanan instead (don't ask how to negate the Season 2 ramifications, cause I don't have those types of answers). Leia would have trusted him because, like her, he was a fellow rebel and helped out the Rebellion immensely in it's early days.

Now, for Maul, the only reasons I could think of why he'd be Snoke is that A) he fits the "timeline" for seeing everything, B) Audiences would already be familiar with him, C) he'd probably be that old anyways, and D) it could give a deeper since of satisfaction to the whole Rey Kenobi theory if it turns out to be true. Like Kanan, we've seen him with apprentices. But then again, the scarring doesn't really make sense, so...

Yeah, these two are unlikely - if not impossible in Maul's case since, Snoke's confirmed to be a "new character" - but I find the idea that Snoke could be either of them to be very intriguing.

This is an awesome theory, and I really hope they run with it!

Edit: IIRC, Snoke's confirmed to be alien, so any and all human theories or out...but that never stopped us before!

 

He's a new character that they are building up over the trilogy, giving back story etc, and no doubt will expand on in the official canon.

IMO we have never seen him before in the movies or canon. He's completely new, yet they will write him in like he was on the outskirts and whatever happened to him made him the threat he is.

 

We know Snoke has had at least one other apprentice and maybe more. Since Snoke isn't Sith is it possible he has other force users at his disposal?

 

Interesting thought really as not being a Sith would likely, though not necessarily, mean that he didn't adhere to the rule of two. This could mean that he has had multiple apprentices and to this day has more. We know of the KoR of course but don't know if they are Force sensitive.

I guess it depends on when these apprentices have existed. If Snoke was a Dark Sider before the Battle of Endor then he could've been training people then. But it might just be that he took on an apprentice or two after he emerged and then 23 yrs later, he took on Ben Solo who became his best apprentice, Kylo Ren.

 

Before I start, is it possible to keep all external reports out of the equation and just treat he movie as the only debatable thing?
because all we know is.
1. snoke is a dark sider
2. he has an apprentice
3. that apprentice uses a lightsaber, a traditional Jedi and Sith weapon.

I don't think the movies ever set up any ambiguity as to wether Snoke was who he says he is, the interest is in how he was able to remain shrouded in secrecy while the empire rose and fell.

In the prequels all the Sith are unknown to the jedi, for a 1000 years.

If the new sequels are showing new groups of dark side users how many does snoke control?
Just because the O.T focused on two Sith does not mean at the time there were not many other groups of dark siders playing there part in the story.
I think Snoke makes that point.
For me these are the more interesting point rather creating a elaborate new identity.

 

Feel free to speculate all you want: however, the Star Wars: The Force Awakens The Visual Dictionary confirmed that Snoke/Ren aren't Sith Lords. This is a new generation of Dark Side force users. That's canon. Ignoring what's canon isn't the point of this thread.

 

Where is this disputed in this thread?
The point was his identity has never been made an issue in the movies themself.

 

I'm not going to argue this topic with you. You seem to be laser focused on only the films. That's fine, that's obviously your prerogative, but the canon includes content outside of the films and I'm not going to narrow the focus simply to make you happy.