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Snoke remains mystery in The last Jedi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jun 5, 2017.

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    Getting a lot of Troll ratings. That doesn't usually happen outside of the DP or Finn threads. :p

    Seriously not sure what is trolling about my Snoke comments.

    He is the leader. Even if his plans are rushed he gave the order. At the very least part of the agenda is in the open.

    I'm not seeing the Force striking back. Especially as a hidden fear. That pretty much garuntees that Snoke is DP. Which has been denied.
     
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    Well deserved one troll from my side buddy, trolled the Snoke hidden agenda mentioned by Serkis, I rewatched your responces many times and you did precisely that, far from you inability to coprehend what Andy Serkis told about Snokes fragility which belies his hidden agenda, didn't noticed before how much you trolled it. At First I though it was my bad English that prevented me to undrestand.
    ... Consciuous derailing could be maybe better rating, unfortunately there is no such . I always explain my negative ratings so here you got it, stright and open.
    You can put your own reciprocal rating in here....
     
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    Well not intended. I was disagreeing that his agenda was hidden. Its not. When Serkis spoke about the agenda it was prior to TFA back when they had not done anything so as I said some of his agenda is known.

    I see no need for giving you a troll rating as I thought we were having a discussion. I think that there may be some misunderstanding.

    Not sure how I can be derailing a thread by trying to discuss an issue you brought up in context of the discussion.
     
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    Snoke's hidden agenda is linked to his injuiries from the past, as he is mysterious and fragile because something happened to him in the past, this is his agenda and that is what Serkis told. You must find the way to control your anymosity about any debate about Snoke's hidden agendas. It started as provocation from post 2 on this thread and ends here as I am concerned.
     
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    Literally 0 animosity regarding your posts about Snoke.

    But apparently it is creating some.

    Again not intended.

    I will lurk and see if things get interesting.
     
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    If Snoke Remains a mystery in Ep. 8 then I suspect he's both Darth Plagueis and not him. Because he cheated death by switching bodies, he's technically someone named Snoke. But in Essence he's Plagueis who is Darth Bain.

    Itbwas Darth Bain we believed learned to switched bodies, so he had been doing it since his ailments took his first body.

    Lol! Yep
     
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    i feel like his actual agenda is a bit more far-reaching than just kill the resistance, i think he's dealing in force terms and looking to wield some type of greater power across the universe. this would sync up nicely with the sort of work plagueis was doing. reason i say this is leia's lines about using ben then discarding him or whatever it was - clearly it's something specific to the skywalker bloodline. and the watching him in the womb thing too.

    again you could connect this to the plagueis story or equally something new but it will have far-reaching consequences to the universe and the force, whatever it is. something deeper than ruling the galaxy at a surface level, that's the agenda we're holding out for with mr snoke.
     
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    There maybe more to his agenda but he has a lot of money, political power, soldiers, ships and loyal followers if his main goal isn't political.
     
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    My personal (unpopular) opinion is Snoke was an acolyte/student of the Emperor and his designated successor. According to Empire's End, the Emperor had goals he wanted achieved even in the event of his death and laid at least some of the groundwork for a successor state. Someone loyal to Palpatine that knew his plans would have to lead that state.
     
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    Except at Empire's End, it seems all his loyal "acolyte" followers are dead. Perhaps it is one that we have not been introduced to yet.
     
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    I don't see enough screen time to see a supplanting of Snoke.....
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    I look at Snoke and see more and more the potential of a well-played and well-scripted DP. The reveal could even come from Luke...
     
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    I think there's quite a bit of the Empire we haven't seen yet. The Observatories and Contingency are only the tip of the ice-burg.
     
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    You made great point.

    Not enough screen time to elaborate Snoke.

    Either Snoke is not explained at all in Sequel trilogy , or he is a known character so mentioning his true name defines his position in story and SW universe.

    In case he is not explained it will indeed be odd situation of trilogy ending by killing unindentified powerfull Darksider, and this is not Original trilogy but continuation trilogy, another Mysterious Emperor from OT approach (apart from been blunt derivate- a ripp off), will be really really bad and cheap looking.

    So I trhink its logic that Snoke is character we know.
     
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    DP isn't "known" he invites exposition assuming viewers know his name, isn't he dead how did he survive, why did he wait, and so on its not all that different if he is known or unknown. IF he is the true BBEG.
     
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    Darth Plagueis the Wise is known to everyone who ever watched best film of the prequel trilogy more than once and I am sure to many who watched it just only once.

    His incredible story is mentioned in the pivotal scene when Palpatine first time reveals to Anakin his own Dark side affiliation and lures him to the Dark side and is mentioned in another pivotal scene when Anakin gives himself to the Dark side and Darth Sidious gives him title Darth Vader.

    Darth Plagueis the Wise is the only Sith ever mentioned in the Star Wars movie that did not had role as a character in the movie.

    You assumption about dumbness of the general public is strange. Only who never noted Plagueis mentioned in the film would be those who never were interested where did Palpatine's powers came from, which I find strange for people who watch Star Wars films as this Dath Sidious background was one of the greatest mysteries of Star Wars.

    Everyone knows and thinks of Palpatine/Darth Sidious and asks where his power came ,....but nobody should heard and notice Palpatine strongly implied his master's identity and his incredible powers in the film, in a great theater scene , which explains Palpatine's Sith background? A long scene so meticulously designed by Lucas?

    If Snoke is not connected to Darth Plagueis, than unfortunately someone's sad devotion (in the story group) to idea that only what matters is action , and not the connection of the saga, has put them in sad position of trashing one of the greatest characters ever invented in Star Wars.



     
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    My point is he still requires explanation. Regardless of awesomeness.

    For the record the scene that mentions him is awesome.
     
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    Plagueis requiers explanation definitely. The powers Plagueis acheived by the words of Palpatine are extraordinary. He was the most powerfull Sith who ever lived.
    Many wanted to believe he survived and transcended the Sith, which in fact he already did by his alchemy of Life , as he obviously needed Light side to mix with Dark into creation of Life,( which is why Palpatine and Vader failed to duplicate his acheivement).
     
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    Your devotion to the Plaguean Inquisition is strong. (emperor)

    Not sure if I agree he is the most powerful. Force powers vary and throughout Canon different people had different powers but he still died cause his apprentice got the jump on him.

    Kylo has read people's minds and stopped blaster bolts. Those are powers we never saw before but that doesn't mean he is more powerful. His study cultivated a unique set of powers.
     
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