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SNOKE REVEALED!!!!

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by ITG, Jul 12, 2016.

  1. McDiarmid

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    The former true self of Snoke was revealed to be Gallius Rex (Aftermath : "Life debt" ) , who becames Fleet admiral, the Operator, secret adviser of Palpatine . Its a character line that will probably follow biography of Cronal.





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    It will be very interesting to see why Palpatine didnt trained him as a true Sith.
     
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    Yep that is what he will be remembered for, I just want Snoke to have his own path.
     
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    that "secret special advisor" thing sounds cool somehow but it relates too much on methods of govermental functions that are just too specific to current planet earth events. its better to leave the popular buzzwords to planet earth and simplity it for the star wars universe. the bad thing is that snoke's "title"is too vague too understand in terms of how much power is given to him. Snoke is based on abraham lincoln, he worshipped the devil did he not? Sidious used to have 100% power he was the devil, the dictator etc. you see the clear difference between snoke and sidious. thats just my opinion.
     
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    I highly doubt this theory is correct. Snoke and Rax seem very different. Furthermore:

    1. John Williams' theme for Snoke and his theme for Plagueis are virtually one and the same. See here for an example.

    2. In Aftermath: Life Debt, we find out that Sidious seeks a "precious" ancient site on the planet Jakku. "It is significant. It was significant a thousand years ago and it will be significant again." Sidious goes on to say that he will have his droids "build something there below the ground." My guess is that this structure was essentially Plagueis' tomb/a facility to contain him and perhaps perform experiments on him. The timeline checks out, as well; this excavation project occurred within a few short years after TPM. We know that Sidious allegedly murdered Plagueis around the time of TPM.

    3. Rey's staff. This staff caused a lot of speculation back when it was first revealed, and its resemblance to a lightsaber cannot be ignored; the end even has what appears to be a blade emitter. You may remember that in Legends, Plagueis had a saberstaff. Assuming that my above point about Plagueis' tomb being on Jakku is correct, we now have a more solid reason than ever for Rey to have Plagueis' saberstaff. We know she is a scavenger, and if her attraction to Anakin's saber is any evidence, we know that she is drawn to Force-related objects. My guess is that she came across Plagueis' saberstaff at some point during one of her scavenging outings, sometime after the Battle of Jakku. We know the Empire destroyed their research facility (which I'm thinking at this point may be the same facility as Sidious had his droids construct in the excavation site) on Jakku during the battle, shortly before retreating into the Unknown Regions. I'm assuming Rax freed/revived Plagueis, then ordered the facility's destruction to destroy any evidence. Somehow or another, the staff was left behind, only to be found by Rey.
    The evidence keeps piling up. I went from being in the "Snoke is Plagueis" camp, to the "Snoke probably isn't Plagueis" camp, and now I've come full-circle.
     
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    There are no evidence in the book - none whatsoever - that Rax is Force sensitive. He never even mentions the Force, not once. Everything points to him being creator of proto-First Order, but being Snoke? There is simply no evidence of it. My personal opinion is that he isn't, but hopefully we will learn more in six months - in Empire's End.
     
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    I doubt we will even then but will hear is name a bit .
     
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    Gallius Rax is First class force sensitive person .This is clear to be concluded from the book.

    ....as a 12 year old boy he resist mind influence inflicted by Palpatine! Palps is impressed, because of this spares his life and "adopts" him in a way.
     
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    It simply doesn't read that way. It reads as strength of will, he feels the compulsion, but physically stops himself from complying (by burying knees in the floor). And then Palpatine drops the compulsion and simply asks him to show himself. He gives him the choice - to die because many living on Jakku would find that to be a release or help him by guarding the site. I have no doubt that if Galli chose death, Palpatine would comply. Or that if he insisted on compulsion, Galli would eventually won't be able to resist. It reads that Palpatine likes his initiative, not that he is impressed by his abilities. When Galli complains that he is just a boy, Palpatine says something like: You are resourceful, right? He tells him to stop people from coming near the site and even kill them if he needs to.

    Gax feels more like Emperor's spy, ace in his sleeve. He received the medal Emperor’s Will - and I think that is what he was until Palps died.
     
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    Maybe he's like Watto.
     
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    This case is solved. Gallius Rax = Snoke.
    We should remember the scene from TFA when Kylo Ren is using Force to interrogate captured Poe Dameron.

    Poe is very strong person, best pilot, and very determened and strong man who believes in himself and in his cause, jet he succumbs under Kylo-Ren Force influence.......

    We need no more arguments what Gallius Rex is exactly.... demonstrated and noted in the new book....powerfull (born) Force wielder, an orphan, found by Palpatine, chance ( or will of the Force).

    In the book is said Gallius feels he has a mission, a destiny, that he must board that ship that will leed hem to his destiny (to meet Palpatine)....

    I calculate roughly if he was 12 than, he is now in his late 70-s .
     
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    Palpatine was interested in Force sensitive youglings, he has put his eye on young Anakin. Palpatine has searched for Young powerfull force wielders.

    Let us ask this question: What will happen if Palpatine was first one who found Anakin , a Force sensitive slave on Tatooine?

    I think he will keep the boy under his own guidance, in secrecy.

    We found strong analogy, Galli an orphan boy from Jakku, .....Ani, a slave from Tatooine.

    Ani had diferent path, he was found by Jedi's.

    Palpatine had reserve all the time.
     
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    I agree - but my conclusions are completely different than yours. :D

    I will not try to convince you, we will find out soon enough. I just hope this won't become the new Plagueis.
     
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    I for the most part agree with you (I think it's highly unlikely that Rax is Snoke). But playing a devil's advocate of sorts, couldn't the scene with Galli be read as the Force calling to him, almost compelling him to leave Jakku?
    On page 6 of the hard cover version, "And yet he remains compelled. As if something invisible is tugging him along - an unseen thread bound to his throat, leading him like a leash-and-collar." I think this could hint at him being FS, and if he is then I could see how he could be Snoke.
     
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    I'm just throwing this theory out there since I'm still not 100% sure that Gallius Rax is indeed Snoke : Could Rax have been Palpatine's Holocron(s) keeper? Didn't Plagueis used to collect ancient Sith Holocrons that Sidious kept for himself after his death? If Rax is Snoke, it could explain why he knows so much about the Dark Side without necessary being force sensitive himself.
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    Oh and also, just to add some fuel in the fire :p, I *think* Snoke is not force sensitive based mostly on this :
    In Ep. III, when Obi-Wan shreds Anakin, Palpatine says that he must go to Anakin since he ''senses'' that he's in danger, while in Ep. VII, Snoke doesn't mention that he senses Kylo being in danger, he just tells Hux to come with Kylo Ren because, since Starkiller is now destroyed, he feels it's time to complete his training, I'm guessing to use Kylo as a weapon against the Resistance.

    I know, I know, they may have chosen theses words as dialogue so it wouldn't come as redundant as Ep. III which was, at the time the last Star Wars movie before Ep. VII ;)
     
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    Tax is, at most, similar to Kranix from R1 .
     
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    Funny you say this, I always had (and still have) the impression that Orson Krennic was inspired by Admiral Thrawn but come to think of it, Rax also seems like a Thrawn counterpart. I know that Thrawn is a Chiss and the others aren't but I feel like they've given these characters the same kind of motivation, all of them being great tacticians, taking the reins of a crumbled empire etc...
     
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    I think Rax brainwashed Krennix and he is one of the firs abductees of the first order .
     
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    He is more like Anakin .


    (desert planet, poor boy out of nowhere carried by destiny.leaving his miserable life to became something much more..)
     
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    I meant in repelling the force mind powers .
     
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    HEY!!!!!!!


    I just recaled one old Pablo Hidalgo's twitt about Plagueis. It was at the heat of speculation on a theme when supposedly actress Daisy Ridley on a conference murmured something about Plagueis and Snoke (question about Plagueis stuff)...... remember?

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    Pablo commented: As Daisy Ridled how long is superstar dreadnaught...he ment she does not have any clue nor she is competent to Know and than mentioned a wreck a wreck of a superstar destroyer Ravager, one burried in sand of Jakku, daisy Ridled was" driving" Millenium falcon trough its wreckage.

    This super star destroyer was commanded at one point by Gallius Rax, The Fleet Admiral, the Operator...

    Gallius Rax is Snoke!
     
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