SPECULATION Snoke & the Mortis Arc

Apologies if this has been discussed before, and apologies for my rusty ideas here. I haven't seen The Mortis Arc in some time. But I do remember a decent bit. So here goes...

What do we know about Snoke?
- Pale skin.
- Damaged.
- Dark sider but not Sith.
- Not "human," but rather a humanoid.
- 7 feet tall.
- Not "from" this galaxy but rather from another galaxy or the "unknown regions."
- Very powerful, and can essentially wield power across the galaxy/assert his will/spy on others (i.e. Aftermath, influencing Ben Solo in the womb, etc.)
- Very keen on destroying Luke.
- Very keen on knowing about who this girl (Rey) is.
- Sensed by Palpatine.
- Possibly part of Palpatine's endgame, which is what? Dark side dominance.

What do we know about the Mortis Arc?
- A mysterious force draws Anakin, Ashoka, and Obi Wan to a distant, mysterious planet, far beyond the outer rim. Wookiepedia lists it as being in unknown space/wild space.
- The father, the son, the daughter exist in the beginning.
- The father is "the one" that keeps the balance of the force equal between the son (dark side) and daughter (light).
- The father senses Anakin as being "the one" to replace him and maintain balance in the force.
- The daughter is killed by the son, who was attempting to kill the father, throwing the balance of the force off.
- The father strips the darkside force powers from the son to weaken him, but dies in the process.
- Anakin "kills" the son, and the father, with his dying breath, says Anakin is "the one," and has restored balance to the force.

However, as we know, balance wasn't restored. The son envisioned this before his death, predicting Anakin's fall to the dark side. So, was Anakin actually "the one?" And did the son actually die? How do we know he died?

What do we know about the son?
- The embodiment of the dark side.
- Pale skin.
- Damaged by The Father/Anakin.
- Dark sider but not Sith.
- Not "human," but rather a humanoid OR ethereal being taking humanoid form.
- 7 feet tall in humanoid form.
- Not "from" this galaxy but rather from another galaxy or the "unknown regions"/celestial plane.
- Very powerful, especially when the force is out of balance.
- Very keen on destroying the Father.
- Very keen on destroying the Daughter.
- Endgame: Dark side dominance.

Just an idea folks. I am not venturing to guess if this is true. Or what this means for who Anakin was/Luke is/Rey is/Kylo is if it IS true. I'll leave that for all of you.

 

It appears as if he did. It appears they all did. But they are celestial beings, if I remember correctly. And even though Anakin is the supposed "One," to take the Father's place, the Force was still out of balance (as the son predicted). Why? And Anakin fell, as the son predicted. Do the Mortis trio get "reborn" through the Force as other beings?

Anyone else think there's anything to this?

 

Well...it could easily be explained in a short monologue to Kylo, when it becomes clear to Kylo that Snoke isn't who he professes to be:

Snoke, to Kylo: "For millennia, there were three of us. We were born as a necessity. The Force willed us into existence. The father, the son, the daughter. Father kept the Force in balance...kept us in balance. Maintained harmony between the light, my sister, the Daughter of the force, and the dark....that is me. I am the Son of the Force, the embodiment of the dark side. Long ago, I tried to kill the Father to bring imbalance to the force and swing it in my favor so that I may influence and control the will of the Force. Instead, I mistakenly killed my sister...thanks to the meddling of your grandfather and his Padawan. Your grandfather thought he was the one, the one that could bring balance to the Force. My father foolishly thought so as well. But I told your grandfather...I told him he would fall to the dark. I envisioned it even then. Your grandfather struck me down in a rage. He killed me. Or so he thought. For I knew how to cheat death...I had learned in secret...and I arose. The Force has remained imbalanced ever since. But "the one" now lives. The one to bring balance to the Force has awoken. And I have returned to ensure that does not happen..."

I mean, something like that. Really rough, sounds clunky, but...you get the point. That's what...2 minutes, tops...in the entirety of the film? And it folds in the "cheating death" stuff all at once, thus incorporating the Plagueis stuff without ACTUALLY incorporating Plagueis.

He could go on to explain that he saw this force awakening, envisioned it (i.e. envisioned the birth of the true "one," Rey, and thus began his machinations to stop her), that the coming awakening echoed to him from across the galaxy. He'd explain that is why he needs Kylo...why he searched for him, contacted him, upon his conception...whatever. Yadda yadda.

Pretty easily done, and rather economically, IMHO.


EDIT: Making sure you all understand that I'm not doing that fanboy thing of imagining how I think dialogue WILL happen. Just showing how easy it would be to bring the general audience up to speed on this possible explanation of Snoke's past.

 

True. Agreed. And for those that don't know, the "dagger" he refers to is the "Dagger of Mortis," which the Father used to control his children ("children of the Force?") and keep them in balance. But it also could be used to kill them. That was the only known thing that could. We were lead to believe the Father killing himself with the dagger robbed the Son of his immortality, thus making him capable of dying by lightsaber strike. But that as only what we were lead to believe. I don't think it was ever made explicit that this was certain, or that he truly died. Just that he was struck down by Anakin

Remember also that these beings had the ability to create life. The Daughter used her remaining Force energy to resurrect Ashoka, whom the son had definitively killed earlier with the dagger. The only things we know for certain are that:

- Anakin, Obi Wan and Ashoka arrive on Mortis together.
- Mortis is in unknown space.
- the Father, the Son, and the Daughter are Force beings that exist on Mortis.
- the Son and Daughter are immortal, with a caveat, and represent the darkside and the light side of the Force, respectively.
- the Father is ancient but not immortal because he's slowly dying.
- the Father maintains balance of the actual Force itself, as it exists, everywhere.
- the Father is dying when Anakin arrives on Mortis.
- the Father seeks a replacement to maintain balance.
- the Father believes Anakin to be "the One" who will do this, taking his place in Mortis for all time.
- the Dagger of Mortis is the only thing that can definitively/quickly "kill" these Force beings.
- the Daughter is stabbed with the dagger by the Son.
- the Daughter dies because she is stabbed with the dagger.
- the Daughter creates life from her own Force energy prior to dying, resurrecting the dead Ashoka (who herself had been force drained by the son).
- the Father hastens his own death by because he stabbed himself with the dagger.
- this act by the Father allegedly turned the Son from mortal to immortal by stabbing himself with the dagger, but the Father just says "I took your power," thus the Son could merely have been weakened by this act by the Father, not made mortal (and nothing was said about how to actually, definitively kill the Son after this, by saber or dagger or however).
- Anakin then at the very least wounds the Son with his lightsaber. We are lead to believe mortally because the son's red eyes flicker and go black and he lays down. Again...we don't know if the Son was truly turned fully mortal or just weakened, and we don't know if lightsabers can (easily?) kill these Force beings and we don't know if he's truly dead.
- We do know the Daughter is dead because they say she's dead. We do know the father dies because he says "and now I die..."

Again, we DO know that these beings can cheat death AND drain Force powers. The Father drains the Son's; the Daughter cheats death by resurrecting Ashoka. The Father disappears when he dies. The Son does not.

Food for thought.

 

OK. I'm not rooting for or against this theory. Just a theory as one that has been set up in-cannon. They said no Plagueis. And Snoke being some brand new, extra-galactic villain that hasn't been set up and just shows up on the scene feels non-Star Warsy and too "written." In that, he will feel to the audience as a non-organic fabrication that is not authentic to the Star Wars universe. I think that would be much more major problem for the franchise. That we could start having brand new "villains of the week," if you will, that the in-authentic creation of Snoke would signal. "You defeated Snoke? Oh, don't worry...cuz here comes THIS brand new baddie from this THIS other galaxy you've never heard of before!" That's what Star Trek does. And that's some peoples' cup of tea. But it ain't mine. And it ain't Star Wars. In Star Wars, everything is tied together. Everything is part of one single fabric. That's one of the major themes. One of the major points of "The Force." Everything is connected. You introduce some disconnected entity, you create tears in that fabric. It would be a bad move.