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SPECULATION Snoke & the Mortis Arc

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by CaptainPhastastic, Mar 10, 2017.

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    No, you're absolutely right, and I think you're expanding on what I was saying. Truly, no Plagueis and no Mortis does NOT mean Snoke won't make sense. BUT, if he's not from these story threads, he needs to be from a story thread that makes sense within the existing fabric of Star Wars, not some extra-galactic being that has been created out of wholecloth which, to my mind, would not make sense.
     
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    I feel as though Snoke will end up being Palpatine's old Master, Plagueis. He technically was the only Sith alive during this time frame that was looking into how to defeat death. Palpatine even mentioned this within the prequels. This would also make sense that Palpatine sensed him, but never did anything about it since for all he knew, Plagueis was suppose to be dead, so fueling some form of fear, he steered clear until he had Luke under his thumb.

    Plagueis was a humanoid, has the same deformation as Snoke does, and originally from an Unknown region.

     
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    The Mortis Arc was a pretty fascinating part of The Clone Wars, but it was also pretty problematic.

    It introduces a pretty interesting development to the mythology of Star Wars... and then proceeds to do almost nothing with it afterward. So, we have a bit of a conundrum. Do we push ahead with Mortis into other media (the films or Rebles), possibly alienating people who have no idea what's going on, and are likely to be confused (even with a bit of exposition)? Do we decide to ignore the arc entirely- quarantining it off as one single, weird incident?

    Personally, I wouldn't mind if this theory was true, as I thought the Mortis stuff was really compelling (if not criminally underused)- but, I totally understand if Star Wars doesn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole anymore.
     
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    Agreed that it was compelling and underused. Definitely prefer Palgueis to the Mortis Son. Prefer any already-established living breathing cannon individual as Snoke over the Mortis. However...that said...I vastly prefer the Mortis Son as Snoke to any brand new extra-galactic writer's room invention created out of wholecloth, because, as I've said several times, that seems very inauthentic, outside the fabric of Star Wars, and will feel like an invented "big bad of the week" shoehorned into the narrative a la Star Trek. So I'm in the "anyone but a brand new big bad" camp.
     
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    The Legends universe did a good job incorporating the Mortis Arc in the Fate of the Jedi series with the character Ableloth. She was initially a servant of the Father and his children but eventually became the Mother. In the Fate of the Jedi books she had incredible, incomparable powers. I know that is Legends and we don't exactly know the extent of what Snoke can do yet, but if he were part of the Mortis family he would really need to start demonstrating some serious god-like powers in TLJ.
     
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    At one point in time everyone and everything is brand new.
     
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    This is true. But I am parsing out the difference between ingenious/innovative newness (the Lucas originals) or new for new's sake, which I am hoping Snoke is not. It's the latter that will feel forced into the arc of the Skywalker saga, rather than organically part of the story if he has his genesis somewhere in that already-existing arc (either as Plagueis, or as a Mortis arc being, or some other already-introduced character). If he's not organic and rather some new silly extra-galactic big baddie of the week, he'll feel like a writer's room creation and not part of the existing thread of the Skywalker saga.
     
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    The Mortis Trilogy is a very surreal exploration of the Force, and I'm not certain Lucasfilm will ever explore it beyond what The Clone Wars presented. I hope they do, but it's difficult to imagine. I believe, if anything, The Whills are going to be used to unify these distinct contradictions within the mythology.
     
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    I get your point and i respect it but I have to politely disagree.snoke being the extra-galactic big baddie doesn't feel silly to me but fascinating because it feels as if falling down the dark sides rabbit hole .
     
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    Yes...but...aren't light sabers, tractor beams, warp speed travel, wookies and ice beasts and giant asteroid worms and all manner of aliens, and the dang ol' Force pretty surreal to begin with? I mean, we have telekinesis, frozen lases, and floating people, ha ha. And it's already been established in film canon that the Force can create life, that Anakin was born of the Force, and is the "chosen one," along with establishing ancient history of Siths and Jedis and that the Force seeks to be balanced and has been out of balance, etc., etc. So, I mean, what's less surreal here in the context that this universe has created?:

    A.) Snoke is space alien who is NOT a Sith OR a Jedi but is super powerful in the Force but is just a dude and not a Force being has been connecting with Ben Solo since he was in utero FROM ANOTHER GALAXY and he's suddenly appeared from out of nowhere with zero connections to any established GFFA character and no motivations other than "he's a really bad dude and wants to take over this galaxy now;" OR

    B.) Snoke is an incarnation of the Force itself and wishes to bring balance by killing Ben Solo AND Luke because he is the Mortis Father/an embodiment of the entirety of the Force itself OR wishes it to remain imbalanced by killing just Luke because he is the Mortis Son/an embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force.

    I'm not buying A. It would cheapen "the Saga" as a whole. But if Snoke isn't Palgueis, and isn't an ancient darksider from the Old Republic days that cheated death (Emperor Vitiate), then B is the only one that makes sense/doesn't cheapen the existing Saga.
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    Likewise, I respect your point of view! I just disagree. Heheh.
     
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    The only issue with that theory is that dark spiders can't return to any sort of physical form after death because they can't "let go" or become "pure ""
     
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    +1 for a Lebowski reference. But I don't think it's really an opinion that what exists in the Star Wars movie universe is already pretty far fetched. Hahah.
     
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    Height-wise, the brother fits the bill, but so would the father... Just in case his death was not a death as we would think of it, but perhaps something different..

    I mean, this guy fits the description of Snoke more than anyone else.. Plus the bone structure of their hands are exactly the same as what we see with Snoke.

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    It would be interesting if he mentioned Mortis during a scene with Kylo & TKOR.
     
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    I could go along my with this theory. They are certainly similar in appearance, and maybe Snoke is weak and damaged from what his father and Anakin did to him? Maybe going after Kylo to turn him dark, is his sweet revenge towards Anakin, and fuels his disgust with Vader being weak?
     
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    See I've always seen it as the Skywalker clan was forged from the Force to bring balance. To me, Rey is Luke's daughter but also the granddaughter of Obi Wan. The main aspects of the Skywalker clan represent the The Ones of Mortis. Rey is the Father (Balance), Anakin is the Son(Dark Side), and Luke is the daughter(Light Side). The Chosen One isn't Anakin or Luke but Rey. See, both Jedi and Sith wrapped the story of the Chosen One to fit their agenda so to speak. In Episode 1, there are thousands of Jedi but only 2 Sith...the Force is way favored to the Light side. By Episode 5, it has swung the other way with the Sith having more control of the Force. And again, in Return of the Jedi although Anakin was redeemed and the Emperor was destroyed, the Force was thrown back out of balance in favor of the Jedi. By the Force Awakens, Luke tried to bring back the Jedi Academy, was destroyed by the Knights of Ren and the Dark side has returned so to speak. But in reality, the Chosen One needs to bring complete balance to the Force and the only way possible for that is by having that one person become what we haven't seen in new canon "Grey Jedi." That is why the title of Episode 8 is The Last Jedi...Luke is the last Jedi and he realizes now that he must train a new Force user that isn't Sith or Jedi and that Force user (Rey) needs to learn both ways of the Force and will finally bring balance to the Force. I think from The Last Jedi on, we will see in canon not Sith or Jedi be the main factions but different Force users, some that we have already seen in The Clone Wars and Rebels. This makes the story group not get limited to the same stories or Sith are bad and Jedi are good storylines; but are able to switch things up and make it new and refreshing to us.
     
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    This could open up a possibility for Luke to tell Rey at the end of some climatic showdown with Kylo in TLJ that she need to join him (Kylo) in order to learn enough about the Dark side to bring true balance. not to much of either but just enough. She off course will not join kylo - but in an effort to force her hand - Luke lets himself be killed by Kylo - or something along those lines.
     
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