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SPECULATION Snoke & the Mortis Arc

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by CaptainPhastastic, Mar 10, 2017.

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    It was given space in the Galactic Atlas that was recently released, so they aren't totally ignoring it. Will be interested to see if it is ever mentioned again in any relevant way
     
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    We've heard from multiple sources that TLJ will be different.

    What if that book from the trailer really is the Journal of the Whills, or part of it, and this sequence results in a flashback sort of scene?
    Or something in the vein of the Story of the Three Brothers in HP Deathly Hallows, part 1? Incorporating a scene lik that really would be different to anything we've seen in a SW movie so far.
     
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    They include Mortis on the new Galactic Map. They include a section in the Atlas about Mortis, with a large photo of the "Son."

    They didn't have to so publicly incorporate this 3-episode arc of The Clone Wars. They could have easily ignored it, or explained it away as a Force vision.

    Nope. It's there. It's incorporated into full-on canon, like it or not. There are reasons for this incorporation.
     
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    It really is a great theory and one that would totally work for me. The only problem is according to Wookiepedia, the Son is made mortal when the Father stabs himself so when Anakin strikes him down, he is killed. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Son

    I really do like this theory :) And it's an original one.

    But I think Snoke is someone we've not seen before, but if I'm wrong, then I'll be happily so
     
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    Maybe he could have crawled to the darkside well, and Fully immersed himself in the power of the darkside to keep himself alive
     
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    Not sure it has anything to do with anything but this mythology seemed awfully familiar to me...and I know writers use a lot of general archetypes/motifs in their stories...is this mythology a bit similar to Lost?
    If you don't know the story it's that there was the "gray" Mother who split her powers between twin brothers; one of the light and one of the dark.
    She was killed by the dark(referred to as the Man in Black) but made it so the brothers couldn't kill each other so they spend eternity on this mystical island manipulating people.
    The dark takes the form of a smoke monster/the dead after his brother attempts to kill him (he is pushed into a river of energy that sustains him) and the light (named Jacob) only reveals himself to whom he believes will success him as Protector of the Island.
    Not sure how much say Abrams has in what mythology they are going to use in the new trilogy but this theory is eerily reminiscent of Lost.
    Which I always had a sneaky suspicion The Island was an idea spurred by The Force.

    By the way we learn this mythology through Flashbacks as these two characters are shown to be the hidden hand that has been manipulating the main characters all along but their existence was "hinted" from the beginning.

    There were also cult-like characters/ Religious followers of Jacob (could be similar to the Whills or Church of the Force) and the whole narrative is about:
    - Protecting the Island or Destroying the Island.
    -Is the Island good or bad?
    -Was everything that unfolded on the Island coincidence or Grand Design?

    Just a lot of similarities off the top of my head.
     
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    I 'spose I have abandoned this theory. I have come to the "shocking" conclusion that Snoke........is just Snoke. :(
     
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    Don't be sad. He could still be interesting. And he could simply be the leader Kylo diposes on his way to galactic assendancy.
     
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    This is your jump in logic. Inclusion doesn't = baring on the upcoming story.
     
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    Haha, yeah. For sure. Totally agree. See my last post. I'm off of this theory.
     
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    I'd definitely not say that it's proof of anything, but it is still an odd bit of the franchise that managed to survive the Legends purge. Probably just because they had to keep it due to The Clone Wars being canon and not wanting to decanonize just one single arc from it, but still. It's always fun to speculate.
     
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    I just want to make a point about anyone saying we should ignore anything TCW for speculation. Pablo says it's a good foundation for speculation, as it really emphasizes a lot of George's ideas about the saga which LFL is still respecting.

    He says what makes the Mortis arc special is the "written by George Lucas" part at the end of the episodes.
     
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    Because it was part of the tv show that wasn't considered legends.
     
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    Right, so... what I had said. :p
     
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    but you inplied that the Mortis arc surviving the legends purge was somehow meaningful. Its not, its just part of the show.
     
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    Not at all.
    I said:
     
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    you just doubled down your speculation - the original speculation still exists and you obviously put some stock in it or you wouldn't have waisted time typing it.
     
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    I dont think the son was killed since that ritual dagger wasn't used like it was on the father.
    Mortis trilogy was, is and remains one of the best pieces on the mysticism and the symbolism of the Force. If they would include it in the ST and beyond SW saga would actually have a chance to become an iconic movie of our times for more than just cool gadgets, nice spaceships, funny lines and tv tropes.
     
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    The Mortis Arc is really cool, and I can see an argument for Snoke being the son. But I have a hard time seeing LFL tying an important character like Snoke back to a few episodes of a cartoon series from several years ago that very few people know of. Personally, I would not mind it, but it seems like a far reach to have non-die hard fans make.
     
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    GA is in it for the kicks for the most part and they dont really care about the origins of the story, I think, as much as they do for the above mentioned. Fanboys...and fangirls, like me would get the reference. And the reference would have been awesome.
    Just sayin' :)
     
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