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Snokes Death Forced Abrams Hand for Palpatines Return in The Rise of Skywalker

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. RoyleRancor

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    I had a big long response typed out but it's moot. We aren't going to change each others mind. I'll just add this:

    It's 100% fair to be critical and judge a piece of art on it's merits. I am absolutely allowed to "claim" something as bad writing when it essentially negates other things in the films. It's part of critiquing art. Saying it's above or beyond this sort of criticism is a bad way to defend something you like. Actually defend it, don't just say "it's shortsighted and not fair." That's dishonest.
     
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    Dismissing something as being "bad writing" isn't "judging something on its merits"; it's creating an arbitrary and subjective set of requirements against which to judge said thing.
     
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    I think Palpatine´s return was indeed planed. We can check it out in Aftermath, Bloodlines, Battlefront 2, Shattered Empire, etc...The observatory in Jakku, Luke´s visit to the observatory in Pilios, Gallius Rax and Palpatine´s flashbacks in Empire´s end, the evil presence felt by the remnant empire in the unknown regions... I think it proves very obvious that it was planned but...

    The way of showing in TROS is completely nonesense, there is a complete lack of explanation and a giant void of story between the last data that the fan receives in New canon and TROS. I don´t know wether I am explaninig myself well... The clues were there, and it was a very solid base in New canon, but somehow it is not completely linked with TROS. It was planned that Palpatine was going to come back ( as a matter of fact, he explicitely tells Gallius Rax that he has a plan, THE CONTINGENCY(I don´t know if is called like this in english) that will allow him to come back. But anything else, we don´t get any references to the observatories or Gallius Rax in TROS, they speak about clonation but don´t get any further, and the fact that they state it for the first time in the opening crawl is...being generous...odd.

    My conclusion is that LF and JJ always wanted to bring Palpatine back but...they didn´t know hoe to do it and there is a total lack of connection between the events of new canon and TROS. I think RJ should have considered this part of the story and give some clues in TLJ.
     
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    Spot on....that is why Palpatine tried very hard to convert them...he knew if he didnt theyd destroy him
     
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  5. Too Bob Bit

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    I'm not saying that's wrong, but the thing is, would that make any difference? Even converted, they will still want to destroy him. That's just the dynamic of the Sith master and apprentice relationship.

    The apprentice is just 'using' the master, to learn everything the master knows - but their thirst for power will ultimately lead them to kill the master so that they can replace them.

    The master of course knows this, and will do everything in their power to keep the apprentice thinking there is more to be known.
     
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    The Master wants their Apprentice to kill them.

    Having their Apprentices kill them is how Sith Masters gain immortality because they possess their Apprentices at the moment of death.

    That's the "truth within the lie" of the Rule of Two.
     
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    Kylo had Palpatine at the end of his saber in the first minutes of the movie. He could have rekilled him if that's what he wanted. It seems as though he did want the fleet. Or he wanted Palpatine's offer of being the new emperor, which is weird because he was already the supreme leader and why get Palpatine's blessing as emperor when you're already supreme leader? Why not just kill Palpatine in the beginning and take his fleet? If the "Sith Eternal" followers attacked him he could just use the force and toss them around and escape. You know, the same force he seemed to forget how to use while fighting the Knights of Ren later. He escapes and brings the FO fleet to Exegol and destroys Palpatine's fleet or takes control over it. Although, since it's the sequel trilogy, Palpatine would probably already be back to life again by the time he returned with the FO fleet. Hux would probably have to explain it to him, telling him about Sith alchemy, dark magic, cloning and secrets only the Sith knew.

    I can see a Groundhog Day remake/reimagining where Kylo Ren has to keep killing Palpatine every now and then because he just comes back to life without any explanation.
     
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    Amen.

    Like or do not like, there is no bad writing. Only bad grammar.


    Palpatine is Darth Bane = confirmed.:eek:


    :p
     
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    that is true
     
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    And Plagueis and however many other Sith Masters that have been revealed by the new Canon to have existed between Bane and himself.
     
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    The logical choice would have been to have Kylo Ren as the central antagonist of the Rise of Skywalker instead of resurrecting Palpatine.

    In one idea that I have, The Rise Of Skywalker would have been set a decade after TLJ with Kylo having had time to develop as a character in that intervening period. No more is he driven by anger but his manners are calm and controlled. The galaxy is split in half between the New Republic and the First Order and both are eyeing each other uneasily. Not peace but a frozen conflict with each side waiting until someone does something stupid.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 22, 2020 ---
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