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Solo "bombs", so what happens next?

Discussion in 'Solo' started by darth sputnik, May 28, 2018.

  1. darth sputnik

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    Let me start by stating that I LOVED Solo (despite some misgivings about the Maul cameo) and thought it was much more of a Star Wars feeling movie than TLJ. Also, I think it's absurd that movie budgets and expectations have reached the point that a $100 million opening weekend is now a bomb, but that's a discussion for another time.

    My question is this: what happens now that SW has had its first ever bona fide failure? It almost certainly means we never see a sequel, which truly disappoints me as I want to see Solo interact with Jabba and Greedo again on screen, not to mention that Ehrenreich and Glover KILLED IT as Han and Lando. But how does this impact future Star Wars "stories" from here on out? Will we still see Obi Wan or Boba Fett (not that I was ever thrilled with the Boba Fett idea, but I genuinely want a Kenobi film)?

    Most likely, Lucasfilm will forge ahead with the stories already in the pipeline, but there must be some serious trepidation now that SW has shown it isn't a guaranteed money printing machine. It looks as though Solo could lose $300 million or so based on early estimates, and that's a big deal whether you're Disney or not.

    What do you guys think? Is Kennedy's job in jeopardy (I hope not), or will they just stick to the course and hope Solo was an anomaly?

    PS -- I think backlash against TLJ is real and it is a major factor here, sadly. Why anyone would skip Solo because an unrelated movie and director disappointed them is beyond me.
     
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    According to the New York Times this film cost around $400M. I'd wait a week or two before we consider it a bomb. It's a box office disappointment for sure and it might end up bombing, but let's not go crazy yet.
     
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    Naw dude, it's a bomb, as far as that term has meaning. I thought this movie was pretty good, it doesn't deserve it, but jeez the worst case scenario came true. In 1999 we all finally felt what it was like to have a Star Wars film that was bad. In 2018 we now see what it's like to have a bomb. Well, this is what happens over 3 decades,
     
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    I really, really, really liked Solo!! But, this is what happens when you dismiss and insult your fan base over and over instead of listening to, or at least acknowledging, their criticisms. :-\ Makes me sad that everyone from KK all the way down to the casual fan feels the need to blindly stake claim on one side or another. Not nearly enough people are just trying to make, consume and appreciate entertainment media -- which is supposed to be the point. :-(

    I left the theater from Solo thinking this film might be good enough to unite the fan base a little bit. But, now I see everyone is just sticking to their sides -- the battle amongst the fandom has superseded any appreciation of the films themselves. :-(
     
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    IGER will maintain everything is fine but will make life a living hell for kennedy behind the scenes with brutal ultimatums...bring back those rogue one numbers for star wars spin offs or we will find someone who will.


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    head of the disney live action division...who iger scared into desperation, those disney live action remakes are because iger threatened them to make box office hits and the live action remakes were their last throw of the dice
     
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    I'm curious why you feel like fans have been dismissed over and over? This is the 4th film Lucasfilm has made since George left. I really don't understand all the hyperbole especially when....
    Then what's the problem? These are movies. You'll like some and you'll dislike some.

    I really don't understand why people lose their minds about story choices. Movie creators are gods. They're not infallible. It's impossible to please everyone.
     
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    Solo's "failure" doesn't/won't really change Disney's/LF's plan and schedule of releasing films.
    Maybe they will be more careful now though. Using less money etc.

    Solo "bombing" doesn't mean there won't be any sequels. There are enough movies which failed at the box office and still got a sequel. But I don't think there was ever the plan of Solo 2 anyway.

    Maybe they only use Han in different movies like Boba Fett.

    I hope this box office results doesn't effect Ron Howard's career. He made a fine movie and probably saved it from Lord&Miller. Fans should appreciate that.
     
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    Ron’s already tweeted that the Solo opening is a personal best, so I don’t think he’s got any worries ;)
     
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    I loved the Solo movie and am disappointed to read it hasn't done well financially. :( I'm not too surprised, though. Three of my SW-crazy fans have not yet seen it, and two have already said they (paraphrasing) 'had enough Disney SW after TLJ and need a break'. Considering one of them watched R1 eight (8!) times in a cinema, I went to a SW convention with another, and spent hours and hours discussing SW with all of them, I was afraid this small anecdote from my circle of friends could be a bad sign.

    So I don't think the lack of box office success is so much due to Solo but more due to the preceding movie - and Disney will be well aware of it. I realise the following is simplified, but I think TFA made a fortune thanks to the OT. TLJ did well thanks to TFA. Solo doesn't do well 'thanks' to the mixed reception of TLJ.

    Hopefully it won't affect a speculated tie-in of Kenobi(obi-wan 4), Boba(boba fett), and Solo(han)(chewbacca)(falcon 2) - which I would absolutely love to see!


    Edited to remove emoticon that could be a spoiler for Solo.
     
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    If Solo did well: See, that’s how you make a great SW film - take note RJ!

    If Solo did ok/badly: See, this is the blowback from how dire TLJ was!

    Ergo, haterz gonna hate.


    Solo was a good film. But it isn’t anything special and its takings will reflect that. The SW label can only go so far.

    What I’ve found interesting in the uk is the lack of advertisement. I’ve spoken to a good few people who would certainly have watched it but didn’t even know it had been made, let alone released!

    Personally, I feel every SW film should have a good chance at being a true spectacle and masterpiece. It has all the ingredients. But I think there has been a rushed approach since 2012 and the content isn’t what it should be (The Last Jedi being an anomaly). If I were in charge I would be released a film every 2-3 years and. Or try and live off the success of the past films. Let the past die and make something new. The fetishising of older characters that don’t really have space for a story is dangerous and might not make for compelling movies.

    That being said, I liked Solo. It added to his story and character and it’ll make some money. Considering the problems they had in production, I think Disney will be okay with a smaller return on this one.
     
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    They had to know something like this was gonna happen. The budget was already bigger since they reshot so much plus they only marketed the movie for 3 months. Add that to the general negative feelings about the movie (because of the reshoots and rumors) and I can't see how this wasn't somewhat expected. I think as long as it breaks even we'll still get a Solo sequel. I also think just to be safe they are definitely gonna make sure the next "A Star Wars Story" is Obi Wan since thats something that fans (casual and hardcore alike) have wanted and could get behind. It sucks that the movie that I was generally happy with (I only had small nitpicks) was the one that suffered and not TLJ which in my opinion is not only the worst Star Wars movie but one of the worst movies I've ever seen in theaters.
     
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    They might take it as "people don't want stand alone movies", stop making them altogether and focus on Episode IX for now. This is probably the best strategy is the scale of crazy-obsessed TLJ hating is as large as the haters believe. 1,5 years is enough for it to die down, somewhat at least.
     
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    Sad to see Solo as a victim of TLJ mixed feelings between fans and casual audience.
    Ok it's not the best timeslot (competition), it's just 5 months after another SW movie but still it's a SW movie.
    I really enjoyed Solo, it has this 80s feeling mixed with modern cinematic technology with cool adventure and colorful heroes.
    This movie in my personal opinion don't deserve those lower than expected (and hoped) box office numbers.
    I think Disney will wait till Episode 9 reception (box office numbers especially) with some movements regarding Lucasfilm and their policy.
    Even if Episode 9 will be a financial success (near the TLJ numbers) i do think that there will be pressure to make a movie that fans want.
    So either they will make a Obi-Wan movie sooner than later or something pre-prequel era (TOR) or they will put anthologies on hold.
     
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    Solo's failure, which may be Star Wars Fatigue, a boycott, or even both, may inadvertantly influence Disney's future strategy and assume that the audience is tired of the OT characters. This actually may finally give Disney the licence to purge out all of the OT characters and do another TLJ style Episode IX film with an even more politically correct agenda. TLJ made over a billion dollars which is a success in Disney's eyes, they are afterall a business which exists to make money. The fans negative reaction to their films is unimportant and secondary to them, their staff have clearly and publically exhibited their contempt and disregard for fans who dislike their new films and political agenda.
     
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    Completely getting rid of the OT characters would be a smart move at this point, as they a becoming more of a burden from a business standpoint.
     
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    They can't stop making standalone movies. They aren't making enough from the trilogy to repay the investment. They need to put as much stuff out there as possible. What this will tell them is to keep the budgets tight, and hire quality directors from the beginning (something they should have done from the start, but hey).
     
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    They should have made the sequel trilogy Lord of the Rings style, filming them back to back and release them a year a part. And then be ready with a new series of movie December 2018.

    But I guess them weren't ready for that them stressed TFA out.
     
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    At this time, it's really hard to predict. Conventional wisdom says that we will never see a Solo sequel which is unfortunate, because I left the theater wanting one. I really liked the movie and Alden surprised me in the best possible way. I really, really wanted another Han/Chewie adventure.

    If I have to guess, Lucasfilm and Disney will use these 1.5 years to EPIX to analyze and perfect their plans. Things that are officially announced and already in production (Resistance, live action series) will go on as planned. Things that are announced and in development (D&D, Rian's trilogy) will be analyzed and perhaps get constrained budgets. Everything else that we know is in development but not officially announced (Obi-Wan, Boba) is up in the air. We'll see. I still have a tiny, tiny hope that mostly positive word of mouth would give Solo a boost to at least reduce their losses.
     
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    The BO result shows that Star Wars is strongly dependent on a loyal fanbase and that said fanbase isn't as disposable or interchangeable as Kathleen Kennedy might think. While I do appreciate her efforts of bringing in new demographics and younger fans it feels like she cares too little about the older fans who might have preferred episode VIII to be closer to what Mark Hamill wanted rather than what RJ gave us. I'm not sure to what degree the Solo boycott will shape future SW projects but I am pretty sure that Kathleen Kennedy will have to rethink her strategy moving forward and she'll actually have to deal with some of the criticism rather than writing it off as a "vocal minority".
     
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    Why oh why oh why are people going on about SW fatigue?

    It's just not true

    Look at what Disney have done with Marvel

    Can you see any fatigue? NO

    They ruined SW with a truly awful film that is a hate crime against the franchise and its history

    Their is no fatigue if you provide a good product

    If you provide a duff product and then combine that with the lack of respect shown to many fans

    You have what has happened with SOLO

    Just stop with the fatigue misdirection
     
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